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DonFerrari said:

I act like people that didn't buy a console before Wii (or people that stopped buying decades before Wii) and won't buy after it shouldn't be counted to try and say this gen is smaller than last in a console doom fashion. PS2+Xog->X360+PS3->X1+PS4 is more on the flat or small growth than consoles are dying because Nintendo wasn't able to keep the new demographic they were targeting in Wii.

You can't say Nintendo do blue ocean and then try to lump its demographic on the others.

I love how you think that everyone who has a PS2 also bought either an 360 or a PS3, and who has a PS3 also bought the PS2 and want to buy a PS4, or any others console.

 

This is not how this work lmao, i don't think you have an idea about HOW MANY people only bought a PS2 and then didn't buy any other console after that.

Same for PS3, 360, and of course, PS4.

 

Your argument is invalid, sorry, Wii must be counted in this comparation, no matter if you like it or not. Every console have casuals. Let it go.



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Ryng_Tolu said:
DonFerrari said:

I act like people that didn't buy a console before Wii (or people that stopped buying decades before Wii) and won't buy after it shouldn't be counted to try and say this gen is smaller than last in a console doom fashion. PS2+Xog->X360+PS3->X1+PS4 is more on the flat or small growth than consoles are dying because Nintendo wasn't able to keep the new demographic they were targeting in Wii.

You can't say Nintendo do blue ocean and then try to lump its demographic on the others.

I love how you think that everyone who has a PS2 also bought either an 360 or a PS3, and who has a PS3 also bought the PS2 and want to buy a PS4, or any others console.

 

This is not how this work lmao, i don't think you have an idea about HOW MANY people only bought a PS2 and then didn't buy any other console after that.

Same for PS3, 360, and of course, PS4.

 

Your argument is invalid, sorry, Wii must be counted in this comparation, no matter if you like it or not. Every console have casuals. Let it go.

Sure... like all consoles that won generations dropped 85% on the next generation due to it not keeping its fanbase...

Sure PS2+X1, PS3+360 and PS4+X1 won't have similar numbers while GC->Wii->WiiU doesn't show a market that liked Wii and didn't care about gaming.

And if Wii demographic isn't one that didn't buy before and wouldn't buy later where does the blue ocean comes then? Are we rewriting history to keep the doom of consoles?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

I love how you think that everyone who has a PS2 also bought either an 360 or a PS3, and who has a PS3 also bought the PS2 and want to buy a PS4, or any others console.

 

This is not how this work lmao, i don't think you have an idea about HOW MANY people only bought a PS2 and then didn't buy any other console after that.

Same for PS3, 360, and of course, PS4.

 

Your argument is invalid, sorry, Wii must be counted in this comparation, no matter if you like it or not. Every console have casuals. Let it go.

Sure... like all consoles that won generations dropped 85% on the next generation due to it not keeping its fanbase...

Sure PS2+X1, PS3+360 and PS4+X1 won't have similar numbers while GC->Wii->WiiU doesn't show a market that liked Wii and didn't care about gaming.

And if Wii demographic isn't one that didn't buy before and wouldn't buy later where does the blue ocean comes then? Are we rewriting history to keep the doom of consoles?

I can use this logic too. Look:

XBOX=24m -----> 360=90m --------> XB1=40-45m? (50m best scenario)

 

Sorry mate, you have no numbers to prove anything. And did  i ever called consoles doom or anything?

Gen 8 just was less popolar than gen 7, which is A FACT, and does not mean the industry is doomed.



Ryng_Tolu said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure... like all consoles that won generations dropped 85% on the next generation due to it not keeping its fanbase...

Sure PS2+X1, PS3+360 and PS4+X1 won't have similar numbers while GC->Wii->WiiU doesn't show a market that liked Wii and didn't care about gaming.

And if Wii demographic isn't one that didn't buy before and wouldn't buy later where does the blue ocean comes then? Are we rewriting history to keep the doom of consoles?

I can use this logic too. Look:

XBOX=24m -----> 360=90m --------> XB1=40-45m? (50m best scenario)

 

Sorry mate, you have no numbers to prove anything. And did  i ever called consoles doom or anything?

Gen 8 just was less popolar than gen 7, which is A FACT, and does not mean the industry is doomed.

In what world you did forget that Xbox and Playstation dispute a similar marketshare while Nintendon't?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Hiku said:
Vizigoth04 said:
I find that Nintendo owns the handheld market. It's definitely no slouch. Got one for each of the kids this Christmas while we also got new PS4 games.

Curious, how many kids do you have, and how many 3DS's are in your household in total? 

3 kids 2 3DSes lol. Santa Dropped by with this this year. 



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DonFerrari said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

I can use this logic too. Look:

XBOX=24m -----> 360=90m --------> XB1=40-45m? (50m best scenario)

 

Sorry mate, you have no numbers to prove anything. And did  i ever called consoles doom or anything?

Gen 8 just was less popolar than gen 7, which is A FACT, and does not mean the industry is doomed.

In what world you did forget that Xbox and Playstation dispute a similar marketshare while Nintendon't?

Prove it.



Ryng_Tolu said:
DonFerrari said:

In what world you did forget that Xbox and Playstation dispute a similar marketshare while Nintendon't?

Prove it.

3 consoles generation didn't prove it? Sony on the start of this gen claiming how many PS4 users were previous PS3 users and estimative of how many were X360 users? PS2+X1 almost equal PS3+X360 also doesn't show a thing?

The ads for Wii, and Nintendo putting that they don't compete with MS and Sony also doesn't prove anything?

 

What exactly do you want as proof?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

Prove it.

3 consoles generation didn't prove it? Sony on the start of this gen claiming how many PS4 users were previous PS3 users and estimative of how many were X360 users? PS2+X1 almost equal PS3+X360 also doesn't show a thing?

The ads for Wii, and Nintendo putting that they don't compete with MS and Sony also doesn't prove anything?

 

What exactly do you want as proof?

I want the proof that Wii buyer aren't as much gamers as 360 and PS3 gamers.

The Wii to Wii U drop doesn't prove it. It just show how shitty Nintendo messed up with that console.

Also since you talk about Sony, would you like to know even Yoshida said Switch is a PS4 competitor? pls



Ryng_Tolu said:
DonFerrari said:

3 consoles generation didn't prove it? Sony on the start of this gen claiming how many PS4 users were previous PS3 users and estimative of how many were X360 users? PS2+X1 almost equal PS3+X360 also doesn't show a thing?

The ads for Wii, and Nintendo putting that they don't compete with MS and Sony also doesn't prove anything?

 

What exactly do you want as proof?

I want the proof that Wii buyer aren't as much gamers as 360 and PS3 gamers.

The Wii to Wii U drop doesn't prove it. It just show how shitty Nintendo messed up with that console.

Also since you talk about Sony, would you like to know even Yoshida said Switch is a PS4 competitor? pls

I said Wii buyers are less gamers? I said the majority of the buyers weren't a target audience before and after Wii, they moved to cellphones and other games or just stopped gaming.

So Shu saying Switch (which isn't a Wii) is a competitor to then is more relevant than Nintendo for several gens saying they aren't competing against MS and Sony and are doing their own thing?

You are really trying to force a point.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:

I said Wii buyers are less gamers? I said the majority of the buyers weren't a target audience before and after Wii, they moved to cellphones and other games or just stopped gaming.

So Shu saying Switch (which isn't a Wii) is a competitor to then is more relevant than Nintendo for several gens saying they aren't competing against MS and Sony and are doing their own thing?

You are really trying to force a point.

I'm not the one who just want to randomly esclude one console from a generation because "reasons".

Sorry but that's it. And i'm honestly gone here, i don't want to do this discussion for another 3 hours or more.