Lol are you kidding me?  You didn’t counter several of my points, you misquoted (for a second time) my initial post, and then you started using strawman arguments.  I was done with you, lol.  Not to mention I never even claimed that Luke was a Mary Sue, I was just playing devils advocate cus you started the comparison.  Despite me doing that, you’re best arguments were to use the EU which is no longer cannon, and the whole trilogy when the argument was about a character in one movie vs a character in another.  You lost bud lol.  If you want to continue this, let’s actually talk about the topic at hand “TLJ”. None of this comparison crap.  

Rey’s force powers were explained by snoke and Luke.

she wasn’t liked by any of the new characters she met.

She failed all of her tasks.

She was man handled by Snoke and was unable to beat Kylo Ren.

so tell me, how was she a Mary Sue in TLJ?

Good effects are not going to save a movie. The  effects of sacrifice of tha captain are not going to save Luke's scene drinking disgusting green milk. The great effects in the set where Kylo wants to convince Rey after defeating Snoke and his guards are not going to chance the boring beggining.

It is worse than I expected. Not only you don't care for good writing. You are satisfied with great effects only. It seems that disney movies are for you.

Two things. It's funny how anyone who tries to defend this movie really can't. Someone brings up a good point and they just deflect it with strawman arguments, with a dash of hyperbole. Go on. Try to address the point I made about ANH and ESB.

And 2nd, you guys really don't know the meaning of the word fanboy, do you? The fact that we are criticizing this movie dismisses us as fanboys. If anyone could be called a fanboy, it's the people who like this film. Not that they all are, but I'm sure there are many there that would fall under that umbrella.

"An extreme fan or follower of a particular medium or concept, whether it be sports, television, film directors, video games (the most common usage), etc. 

Known for a complete lack of objectivity in relation to their preferred focus. Usually argue with circular logic that they refuse to acknowledge. Arguments or debates with such are usually futile. Every flaw is spun into semi-virtues and everything else, blown to comedic, complimentary proportions. "

You're talking about a franchise that literally had a character step in shit as a joke and quoted from a kids sitcom ("How Wude!"). 

Star Wars is just another movie franchise these days. Better than a lot, but just another franchise. It's not some mythic, unassailable work of perfection or anything ... sorry but the prequels shattered that myth pretty clearly ages ago. When Vader has his big "reveal" they ruin it with that laughably hilarious "Nooooooo". Might as well have had him rip a loud fart there too. You can't take it so seriously any more. 

Two things. It's funny how anyone who tries to defend this movie really can't. Someone brings up a good point and they just deflect it with strawman arguments, with a dash of hyperbole. Go on. Try to address the point I made about ANH and ESB.

And 2nd, you guys really don't know the meaning of the word fanboy, do you? The fact that we are criticizing this movie dismisses us as fanboys. If anyone could be called a fanboy, it's the people who like this film. Not that they all are, but I'm sure there are many there that would fall under that umbrella.

"An extreme fan or follower of a particular medium or concept, whether it be sports, television, film directors, video games (the most common usage), etc. 

Known for a complete lack of objectivity in relation to their preferred focus. Usually argue with circular logic that they refuse to acknowledge. Arguments or debates with such are usually futile. Every flaw is spun into semi-virtues and everything else, blown to comedic, complimentary proportions. "

He would be kidding if he believed any of your arguments to defend Mary Rey.

Precuels are not the saving grace for these movies. Those already happened, whether those were good or bad it does not matter because these new movies are judged by their own.

I now what you are trying to say. But you are not going to convince anyone by mentioning the precuels. In fact, if you bring those to the discussion, disney movies are going to get a lot more hate.

They're just popcorn movies at this point nothing more, nothing less. TFA/TLJ are better than Harry Potter or most Marvel movies definitely better than the Hobbit films and the DC "Universe". 

That's good enough. The only Star Wars movies that needed to be made were IV, V, and VI, they told the whole damn story. 

Making a VII, VIII, IX was always going to be a stretch and was always going to be basically a cash grab. I don't give a fuck what Lucas says either, he had no idea what he was doing with this trilogy either. It was always going to be the same "yeah but Luke or Leia's son/daughter turns to the Dark Side, even though really this would never fucking happen because they would be 10x more careful after knowing damn well they have a shady family history". 

Lucas did a great job with the clone wars tv show.