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Could Sony make a successful Switch ?

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EricHiggin said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

X3 is Xavier and X1 chip in Switch is custom. There is no reason to believe X3 won't be custom. Also, Sony can do like Nin, right? I wonder what Sony game still sell in Japan after being released 3-4 years like Animal Crossing or Mario Kart. What Sony franchise can make impact comparable with Pokemon?

PS can do what Nin can, in terms of hardware, based on my reply solely about hardware. They could also try and create similar games as well, but trying to compete with Nin's specific franchises is a challenge in itself. I don't really see PS targeting that specific audience though, since they would simply be looking for customers who like PS and third party games, but want or require a mobile platform to play them on. Having some mobile based games for it would also be a good idea though. I don't think X3 would happen in the next Switch and even if it did, the battery life would be the same as now at best, if not worse, plus the price would be more expensive. Who's going to buy an upgrade like that? Nin would have to wait until like 2025 and by that time the PS Portable will have taken the entire handheld/hybrid market as well. Pokemon will have no choice but to release on PS devices going forward after that.

Pokemon on PS? So why don't you ask for Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Super Smash Bros, Metroid and all Nintendo first party games on PS also? In 2020, how can you so sure the battery will remain the same? Xavier is this year, 2020 mean 3 years later, the cost will be the same? Just like you are so sure next ps portable will run all ps4/5 games which cost only $250 and last 4-5 hours in 2019 - 2020, why can't i predict Nintendo will release a new Switch at that time? All Nintendo handheld before have upgrade model like GB to GBC, GBA to GBA SP , DS to DSi , 3DS to New 3DS, why won't Switch?

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There's a lot of specs talk here. I hope Switch will finally prove the specs don't matter; should be playing PC if that is all you want.

The bad news for Sony is that Switch migt be disruptive. I can imagine a time where living room tethered consoles will look like CD players or "dumb"phones.

The good news for Sony is Nintendo is arrogant. It will probably screw up this opportunity just like it screwed up Wii.

P.S. I think Nintendo has left itself wide open for disruption from below.  Maybe mobile willfill that gap, or maybe Sony could foster a new offshoot company focused on classic arcade handheld for 100 bucks to take advantage.



HoangNhatAnh said:

X3 is Xavier and X1 chip in Switch is custom. There is no reason to believe X3 won't be custom. Also, Sony can do like Nin, right? I wonder what Sony game still sell in Japan after being released 3-4 years like Animal Crossing or Mario Kart. What Sony franchise can make impact comparable with Pokemon?

The only custom of the Switch SoC are the lower clock rates undocked compared to a Pixel C and docked compared to a Shield-TV. Besides that, it is the same Tegra X1 chip



HoangNhatAnh said:
EricHiggin said:

PS can do what Nin can, in terms of hardware, based on my reply solely about hardware. They could also try and create similar games as well, but trying to compete with Nin's specific franchises is a challenge in itself. I don't really see PS targeting that specific audience though, since they would simply be looking for customers who like PS and third party games, but want or require a mobile platform to play them on. Having some mobile based games for it would also be a good idea though. I don't think X3 would happen in the next Switch and even if it did, the battery life would be the same as now at best, if not worse, plus the price would be more expensive. Who's going to buy an upgrade like that? Nin would have to wait until like 2025 and by that time the PS Portable will have taken the entire handheld/hybrid market as well. Pokemon will have no choice but to release on PS devices going forward after that.

Pokemon on PS? So why don't you ask for Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Super Smash Bros, Metroid and all Nintendo first party games on PS also? In 2020, how can you so sure the battery will remain the same? Xavier is this year, 2020 mean 3 years later, the cost will be the same? Just like you are so sure next ps portable will run all ps4/5 games which cost only $250 and last 4-5 hours in 2019 - 2020, why can't i predict Nintendo will release a new Switch at that time? All Nintendo handheld before have upgrade model like GB to GBC, GBA to GBA SP , DS to DSi , 3DS to New 3DS, why won't Switch?

Nin may own certain specific parts of Pokemon, but they only own 33% of the franchise overall. If a PS hybrid took the majority of the handheld/hybrid market share, Pokemon would suffer if it didn't at the very least sell on PS devices, if not only PS devices. You can predict all you want but if a PS Portable can't exist because there isn't enough evidence at this point in time, then neither can an upgraded or next gen Switch. Just because the hardware exists doesn't mean either company will be able to properly customize it, harness it, or use it any time soon, if at all.



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

EricHiggin said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

Pokemon on PS? So why don't you ask for Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Super Smash Bros, Metroid and all Nintendo first party games on PS also? In 2020, how can you so sure the battery will remain the same? Xavier is this year, 2020 mean 3 years later, the cost will be the same? Just like you are so sure next ps portable will run all ps4/5 games which cost only $250 and last 4-5 hours in 2019 - 2020, why can't i predict Nintendo will release a new Switch at that time? All Nintendo handheld before have upgrade model like GB to GBC, GBA to GBA SP , DS to DSi , 3DS to New 3DS, why won't Switch?

Nin may own certain specific parts of Pokemon, but they only own 33% of the franchise overall. If a PS hybrid took the majority of the handheld/hybrid market share, Pokemon would suffer if it didn't at the very least sell on PS devices, if not only PS devices. You can predict all you want but if a PS Portable can't exist because there isn't enough evidence at this point in time, then neither can an upgraded or next gen Switch. Just because the hardware exists doesn't mean either company will be able to properly customize it, harness it, or use it any time soon, if at all.

Except Nintendo own the game name, trademarks and all Pokemon in the series. GF can make a game for PS if they want but can't name it Pokemon or have any Pokemon in the series or else, they will be sued. History with all Nintendo handheld upgrade models is meaningless , right? And New 3DS is at least 3 times stronger than 3ds, GBC, GBA SP both is 2 times stronger than the original, DSi is ~ 2,5 times stronger than DS. You think Switch won't? Pokemon suffer like GameCube/PS2 era, right? You want a Pokemon on ps, basically that is port begging and show you want Nintendo go third party, isn't it? 



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Conina said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

X3 is Xavier and X1 chip in Switch is custom. There is no reason to believe X3 won't be custom. Also, Sony can do like Nin, right? I wonder what Sony game still sell in Japan after being released 3-4 years like Animal Crossing or Mario Kart. What Sony franchise can make impact comparable with Pokemon?

The only custom of the Switch SoC are the lower clock rates undocked compared to a Pixel C and docked compared to a Shield-TV. Besides that, it is the same Tegra X1 chip

Doesn't change the fact it is custom, even just a bit



Wait, wait, wait. Back this truck up. Why is anyone even thinking it's even remotely possible, much less plauible or likely that Nintendo is going to release a newer, much more powerful Switch just 2.5 years max after the original came out?

Sure, you'll probably get a Switch Lite, or Switch-i, or something to perhaps offer home mode in portable form, and improve the battery life significantly. Just like they did for pretty much all of their older generations of handhelds. Why are we now expecting something different out of Nintendo?

Also, Sony already released their own version of the Switch. In 2009, they made the PSP Go, with it's optional TV dock that allowed you to play its games with a PS3 controller. Besides, the only portable playstation you're ever going to see is one that plays home console games with little to no modification. Sony isn't interested in their own Switch, and have no reason to be.



Even if it was possible, it would have to offer the full lineup library at a competitive price. It would have to be the same platform, not a new one.



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RolStoppable said:
EricHiggin said:

Nin may own certain specific parts of Pokemon, but they only own 33% of the franchise overall. If a PS hybrid took the majority of the handheld/hybrid market share, Pokemon would suffer if it didn't at the very least sell on PS devices, if not only PS devices. You can predict all you want but if a PS Portable can't exist because there isn't enough evidence at this point in time, then neither can an upgraded or next gen Switch. Just because the hardware exists doesn't mean either company will be able to properly customize it, harness it, or use it any time soon, if at all.

Nintendo owns 33% of the Pokémon Company, but the Pokémon Company's purpose is to manage all licenses, the merchandise, the anime etc. All trademarks of the Pokémon IP, however, are owned solely by Nintendo. What this means for your hypothetical case is that Pokémon has a 0% chance to appear on a PS device, because Nintendo's real stake in Pokémon is far higher than 33% as they have full control over all the names involved with the IP.

So if GameFreak decided to develop for non-Nintendo hardware, they'd have to start from scratch while Nintendo would assign development for new Pokémon games to a different studio. It's highly doubtful that GameFreak would give up on their cashcow so easily.

It wasn't my hypothetical thought, I'm just expanding on it.  Considering the thought of Switch failing due to a new PS Portable, was followed by a question directed to me about Pokemon and how it can solve all problems, my reply was simply if Switch fails, what does Pokemon matter? That question was never answered, and so I gave the option that Pokemon could be on PS devices. It also could be held back from PS devices in this case, but that would most certainly hurt the franchise unless Nin came out with totally new hardware that nobody knows about. Since those types of possibilities aren't acceptable in conversations about the future of hardware apparently, only facts about the here and now, I could only assume that putting Pokemon on PS devices made the most sense. What if the other 66% of Pokemon were sold to PS, then what?

HoangNhatAnh said:
EricHiggin said:

Nin may own certain specific parts of Pokemon, but they only own 33% of the franchise overall. If a PS hybrid took the majority of the handheld/hybrid market share, Pokemon would suffer if it didn't at the very least sell on PS devices, if not only PS devices. You can predict all you want but if a PS Portable can't exist because there isn't enough evidence at this point in time, then neither can an upgraded or next gen Switch. Just because the hardware exists doesn't mean either company will be able to properly customize it, harness it, or use it any time soon, if at all.

Except Nintendo own the game name, trademarks and all Pokemon in the series. GF can make a game for PS if they want but can't name it Pokemon or have any Pokemon in the series or else, they will be sued. History with all Nintendo handheld upgrade models is meaningless , right? And New 3DS is at least 3 times stronger than 3ds, GBC, GBA SP both is 2 times stronger than the original, DSi is ~ 2,5 times stronger than DS. You think Switch won't? Pokemon suffer like GameCube/PS2 era, right? You want a Pokemon on ps, basically that is port begging and show you want Nintendo go third party, isn't it? 

Nin owns 33%, so what if PS were to buy the other 66%? Not sure how history plays into Switch since it's the very first Nin hybrid ever right? I also said a more capable Switch can't exist if a PS Portable couldn't, so if you believe that's not true, then you must agree PS could create a competitor. I never said I wanted Pokemon on PS, I just said in that specific scenario it would be a good idea if not necessary. I never said I want Nin or Switch to fail, but you mentioned Switch failing in a prior post, so what is it that you have against Nin?



PS1   - ! - We must build a console that can alert our enemies.

PS2  - @- We must build a console that offers online living room gaming.

PS3   - #- We must build a console that’s powerful, social, costs and does everything.

PS4   - $- We must build a console that’s affordable, charges for services, and pumps out exclusives.

PRO  -%-We must build a console that's VR ready, checkerboard upscales, and sells but a fraction of the money printer.

PS5   - ^ -We must build a console that’s a generational cross product, with RT lighting, and price hiking.

PRO  -&- We must build a console that Super Res upscales and continues the cost increases.

If ps4 sells 100m and become a success for sony then they need to make a ps5 home console not a docked handheld.ns needs to sell 100m to become a successful product because it combines both handheld and home console.if it doesn't sell 100m then it will be a big failure.