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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
SuaveSocialist said:
Jon-Erich said:

I'm sorry but no.

 

 Look at this recent summit. They're talking how Trump is making a deal with a man who starves his own people and imprisons them and tortures them. 

They made the EXACT same comments when Obama said he was willing to engage NK with peace talks.

 

I'm sorry, but your example does not refute the accuracy of what the media had to say.  Nor does it adequately defend the myth that Kim-Jong Drumpf is being treated unfairly in the media.

 

The fact is, his regime is a dumpster fire and his every action performed with noteworthy incompetence.  Naturally, that's how the media will report it.  If anything, they are going easy on him.

Wow, way to go ignoring most of my post. My point was that when Trump and Kim Jong Un weren't on good terms, the media tried to make Kim Jong Un and North Korea look good while making Trump look bad. Now that they're on good terms, they tried to make Trump look bad by making North Korea look bad. With Obama, the media handled him with kid gloves. In fact, the media went easier on Obama than they have with any President in my lifetime. The only people really complaining about Obama's handling of North Korea was the right-wing media. When the left-leaning media reported Obama's failings with North Korea, they simply back to making Kim Jong Un look like a Looney Toons character in order avoid having to say that Obama failed with North Korea. Also, they never bothered to report that Obama completely ignore Dennis Rodman when he tried telling Obama that Kim Jong Un wanted to talk. So despite what the news media says now, the truth is Trump has succeeded where ever President since Harry Truman has failed. The US and North Korea are talking and making deals. Nobody can spin that no matter how hard they try.

Other than North Korea, there are numerous examples of the media lying about Trump or deliberately trying to make Trump look bad. The more recent example is when he referred to as MS13 gang members as animals. Anyone who watches the video of him saying that could tell that he was referring to the gang members. The media kept saying he was referring to immigrants that way. That was a lie. The truth can be heard in the actual video. The problem more people have heard the lie than the actual audio clip. An older example is a CNN clip that happened a day or so after the 2016 election was over. There was a man who was acting hysterical over the fact that Hillary Clinton lost. They were trying to communicate the idea that people wanted Clinton to win so badly, which is of course false. Shen was never a popular candidate and was seen only as the lesser of two evils by many people who voted for her. As it turns out, the hysterical man was actually not a random Hillary voter but instead a CNN crew member. This was revealed (most likely by accident) by the CNN news commentator. Another example of dishonest reporting was from earlier that year when the damning Wikileaks documents were released that showed that the entire DNC election process was indeed a fraud and that they were going give Hillary the nomination all along. The CNN reporter tried to tell their audience that it is illegal to read classified or stolen information like that unless you are the news media, which is of course BS. They said this because those emails would make Clinton look bad and would Trump look good by default.

So what we've seen with the news media in the era of Trump is not only is the reporting bias against him, but in many cases, they are in fact straight up lying. 



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Jon-Erich said:
SuaveSocialist said:

They made the EXACT same comments when Obama said he was willing to engage NK with peace talks.

 

I'm sorry, but your example does not refute the accuracy of what the media had to say.  Nor does it adequately defend the myth that Kim-Jong Drumpf is being treated unfairly in the media.

 

The fact is, his regime is a dumpster fire and his every action performed with noteworthy incompetence.  Naturally, that's how the media will report it.  If anything, they are going easy on him.

Wow, way to go ignoring most of my post.

You had the privilege of getting my reply, but you were not entitled to getting my acknowledgement. Next time, do avoid self-defeating arguments.  Perhaps then you won't find yourself so easily ignored.

Last edited by SuaveSocialist - on 20 June 2018

He's a piece of shit that who is trying to use children held captive as hostages to bargain with. History will remember him for the sack of crap that he is, it looks like even for the orange turd the heat and blow back from this issue is too much and he's preparing to cave.



Repeating myself. America has the leader they deserve.
If any other country was putting children in cages we'd be talking about regime change.
Why isn't the UN up in arms about this??
When will we liberate America??



I have to ask, if there a line the president could cross that would cause people to no longer support him?



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SuaveSocialist said:
Jon-Erich said:

Wow, way to go ignoring most of my post.

You had the privilege of getting my reply, but you were not entitled to getting my acknowledgement. Next time, do avoid self-defeating arguments.  Perhaps then you won't find yourself so easily ignored.

Or you could admit that you don't have a counter-argument. Then again, I guess socialists can never admit when they're wrong.



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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393303-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-undocumented-families-together

B-b-but, Trump is just a big meanie who wants to separate children from their family. Ignore the fact that this exact law was passed in 2008 and Obama himself was sued for this exact issue, Trump is just a neener.

I also want to bring up the fact that this was brought up in Congress (you know, the place that is actually SUPPOSED to pass laws), and they needed 60 votes for it to pass through. Chuck Schummer and the rest of the Democrats refused, choosing to let Donald Trump fix their issues (https://www.mrctv.org/blog/chuck-schumer-too-lazy-bring-families-back-together). This just further proves that the Democrats don't actually want change and would rather use children as a club to beat over the heads of Republicans rather than actually DOING their job.

Again, Im a Libertarian who is indifferent to Trump, but this emotionally based argument needs to stop. Willfully being ignorant to the facts of a case only leads me to Trump, not away from him.



TH3-D0S3R said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393303-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-undocumented-families-together

B-b-but, Trump is just a big meanie who wants to separate children from their family. Ignore the fact that this exact law was passed in 2008 and Obama himself was sued for this exact issue, Trump is just a neener.

I also want to bring up the fact that this was brought up in Congress (you know, the place that is actually SUPPOSED to pass laws), and they needed 60 votes for it to pass through. Chuck Schummer and the rest of the Democrats refused, choosing to let Donald Trump fix their issues (https://www.mrctv.org/blog/chuck-schumer-too-lazy-bring-families-back-together). This just further proves that the Democrats don't actually want change and would rather use children as a club to beat over the heads of Republicans rather than actually DOING their job.

Again, Im a Libertarian who is indifferent to Trump, but this emotionally based argument needs to stop. Willfully being ignorant to the facts of a case only leads me to Trump, not away from him.

But the zero tolerance policy is from the Trump admin. Obamas admin didn't have this policy. 



jason1637 said:
TH3-D0S3R said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393303-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-undocumented-families-together

B-b-but, Trump is just a big meanie who wants to separate children from their family. Ignore the fact that this exact law was passed in 2008 and Obama himself was sued for this exact issue, Trump is just a neener.

I also want to bring up the fact that this was brought up in Congress (you know, the place that is actually SUPPOSED to pass laws), and they needed 60 votes for it to pass through. Chuck Schummer and the rest of the Democrats refused, choosing to let Donald Trump fix their issues (https://www.mrctv.org/blog/chuck-schumer-too-lazy-bring-families-back-together). This just further proves that the Democrats don't actually want change and would rather use children as a club to beat over the heads of Republicans rather than actually DOING their job.

Again, Im a Libertarian who is indifferent to Trump, but this emotionally based argument needs to stop. Willfully being ignorant to the facts of a case only leads me to Trump, not away from him.

But the zero tolerance policy is from the Trump admin. Obamas admin didn't have this policy. 

This is dealing with illegal immigrants, so I understand the zero tolerance approach. Personally I thought the children were better in those conditions then letting them live in the prisons with their parents (something the 9th district court agrees with, which is the most liberal court district). But I can sorta see the outrage so I get it. There has yet to be conclusive evidence to show the children were willfully neglected so my mind may change when we get more results on that.

In summary if these were normal citizens, I'd be outraged, but these are terrible parents who bring their children as a form of protection to try and get in. I feel bad that the kids are seen more as tools in their parents eyes, but illegal immigration IS illegal, and should not be tolerated.



TH3-D0S3R said:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393303-trump-signs-executive-order-to-keep-undocumented-families-together

B-b-but, Trump is just a big meanie who wants to separate children from their family. Ignore the fact that this exact law was passed in 2008 and Obama himself was sued for this exact issue, Trump is just a neener.

I also want to bring up the fact that this was brought up in Congress (you know, the place that is actually SUPPOSED to pass laws), and they needed 60 votes for it to pass through. Chuck Schummer and the rest of the Democrats refused, choosing to let Donald Trump fix their issues (https://www.mrctv.org/blog/chuck-schumer-too-lazy-bring-families-back-together). This just further proves that the Democrats don't actually want change and would rather use children as a club to beat over the heads of Republicans rather than actually DOING their job.

Again, Im a Libertarian who is indifferent to Trump, but this emotionally based argument needs to stop. Willfully being ignorant to the facts of a case only leads me to Trump, not away from him.

Congress is just stupid. For Obama, they were the party of NO, where they just voted no to everything he did.

Now they are the party of whatever makes Trump look bad. They, like in this case, could pass a law to fix it, but they know that if they do nothing they can sit there and blame Trump. And the press follows that narrative.

 

FYI, read the funniest article today. Apparantly at the G7 meeting in Canada, Trump grabbed some Starburst in his pocket and tossed them at Merkel and said "Don't say I never gave you anything"  F*ing hilarious.