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Forums - Politics Discussion - Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

 

Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

https://www.quora.com/Could-the-global-Internet-have-existed-without-capitalism

 

Sorry, but most people would agree capitalism created internet. Check the first answer. You depended on all the products captialism created to get internet started and even then it wasn't what it is now with corperations involved. Youtube, google, facebook, twitter, amazon, ect are all due to capitalism. Heck, the phone/computer you are using now is thanks to capitalism. 

Are you saying corporations don't exist outside of capitalism?

Not very successful or innovative ones like Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google, ect.



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SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

Not very successful or innovative ones like Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google, ect.

I have to ask but are you being serious?

Top 10 of the Fortune 500.

2. State Grid - China.
3. Sinopec Group - China.
4. China national Petroleum - China.
6. Volkswagon - Germany.
7. Royal Dutch Shell - The Netherlands.

In fact, I counted 50 out of the top 100 as coming from countries that identity as having socialist politics, policies, ideologies or markets.

Shhhhh, some people believe that the only successful or innovative companies exist in the goold old US.  Bursting their bubble like that is like waking a sleepwalker, you never really know how they will take it.



SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

Not very successful or innovative ones like Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, Google, ect.

I have to ask but are you being serious?

Top 10 of the Fortune 500.

2. State Grid - China.
3. Sinopec Group - China.
4. China national Petroleum - China.
6. Volkswagon - Germany.
7. Royal Dutch Shell - The Netherlands.

In fact, I counted 50 out of the top 100 as coming from countries that identity as having socialist politics, policies, ideologies or markets.

You do realize that China is pretty much capitalist country regarding the economy right?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sV5P_F3frY They had to reform because their communist economy failed miserably.

 

Germany is also capitalist regarding the economy. Most of their companies are privately owned. Here is a discussion on it. https://www.quora.com/Is-Germany-a-socialist-or-capitalist-country

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Smear-Gel said:
I was just gonna slide in and say he sucked at the beginning and is worse now and be done with it, but I'll throw in two things based on the last few pages:

It seems that Trump team's push to discredit the investigation so that when all the super obvious crimes start coming out, people will just write them off as fake or not a big deal, has worked. Because the mere fact that lies and conflicting stories are ramping up means that nothing Trump team says holds any water. You can even see the shift in the narrative, where they are no longer saying Trump is innocent, they're saying if anything happened, he doesnt remember, they're saying he cant be arrested, they're saying that the FBI shouldnt have been there, but they're past saying nothing happened.

Capitalism sucks, and people always say that everything good could only happen with capitalism, while all the negative effects of it are downplayed, ignored or pushed on other systems. The current push to privitize the internet and take away Net Neutrality in a way that will stifile new businesses and potentially make the public pay more, the horrible state of copyright law and the myriad of privacy issues and data selling on Youtube, Google,, Facebook, etc are also due to capitalism, and corporations prioritising making money over all else. Inb4 if you dont like capitalism you must love communism.

LOL I assume you’re talking about me. I’m not defending Trump, I’m defending the office and authority of the president, I don’t care who it is. Trust me, the only time I listen to Trump or his “team” is when I need a laugh. Their talk has nothing to do with my opinion. I follow the facts and have since it started with Clinton emails. The facts say you don’t have any evidence. Calling Trump treasonous is a serious accusation and especially one where you don’t have a shred of evidence. Conflicting stories and process crimes prove nothing. What do the conflicting stories tell you?

 

What are these super obvious crimes that will be coming out? How have I written them off? I haven’t written anything off because you haven’t shown me, nobody has. To say I have my opinion because the “trump team is discrediting” is such a cop out bullshit thing to say. I’m being honest. I have tried to get something for 2 pages and I haven’t gotten anything. Just people talking about wishful thinking and comparing the office of the presidency to a mafia boss like there isn’t any difference in constitutional authority. People being happy about erosion of attorney client privilege. If it’s super obvious then I’m not seeing it, please help me understand. Without the ignorance hidden behind weak snark please, like some of the others here lol. 

 

Woah! How do I fix the text?



SpokenTruth said:
Snoopy said:

You do realize that China is pretty much capitalist country regarding the economy right?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sV5P_F3frY They had to reform because their communist economy failed miserably.

 

Germany is also capitalist regarding the economy. Most of their companies are privately owned. Here is a discussion on it. https://www.quora.com/Is-Germany-a-socialist-or-capitalist-country

....countries that identity as having socialist politics, policies, ideologies or markets.

but still practices capitalism and showing how useless socialism is especially when it comes to the economy.



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massimus said:
Smear-Gel said:
I was just gonna slide in and say he sucked at the beginning and is worse now and be done with it, but I'll throw in two things based on the last few pages:

It seems that Trump team's push to discredit the investigation so that when all the super obvious crimes start coming out, people will just write them off as fake or not a big deal, has worked. Because the mere fact that lies and conflicting stories are ramping up means that nothing Trump team says holds any water. You can even see the shift in the narrative, where they are no longer saying Trump is innocent, they're saying if anything happened, he doesnt remember, they're saying he cant be arrested, they're saying that the FBI shouldnt have been there, but they're past saying nothing happened.

Capitalism sucks, and people always say that everything good could only happen with capitalism, while all the negative effects of it are downplayed, ignored or pushed on other systems. The current push to privitize the internet and take away Net Neutrality in a way that will stifile new businesses and potentially make the public pay more, the horrible state of copyright law and the myriad of privacy issues and data selling on Youtube, Google,, Facebook, etc are also due to capitalism, and corporations prioritising making money over all else. Inb4 if you dont like capitalism you must love communism.

LOL I assume you’re talking about me. I’m not defending Trump, I’m defending the office and authority of the president, I don’t care who it is. Trust me, the only time I listen to Trump or his “team” is when I need a laugh. Their talk has nothing to do with my opinion. I follow the facts and have since it started with Clinton emails. The facts say you don’t have any evidence. Calling Trump treasonous is a serious accusation and especially one where you don’t have a shred of evidence. Conflicting stories and process crimes prove nothing. What do the conflicting stories tell you?

 

What are these super obvious crimes that will be coming out? How have I written them off? I haven’t written anything off because you haven’t shown me, nobody has. To say I have my opinion because the “trump team is discrediting” is such a cop out bullshit thing to say. I’m being honest. I have tried to get something for 2 pages and I haven’t gotten anything. Just people talking about wishful thinking and comparing the office of the presidency to a mafia boss like there isn’t any difference in constitutional authority. People being happy about erosion of attorney client privilege. If it’s super obvious then I’m not seeing it, please help me understand. Without the ignorance hidden behind weak snark please, like some of the others here lol. 

 

Woah! How do I fix the text?

The lies and conflicting stories clearly show that they are hiding things, are trying to get thier stories straight, or at the very least shows thier word cant be trusted. There are constant revalations of new meetings we didnt know about for starters.

Do you think he actually fired James Comey because he thought that James was too mean to Hillary?



Snoopy said:
SpokenTruth said:

....countries that identity as having socialist politics, policies, ideologies or markets.

but still practices capitalism and showing how useless socialism is especially when it comes to the economy.

The whole point is that an ideal situation for a country involves having a mixture of multiple economic styles as going into just one is usually less than ideal. 



Smear-Gel said:
massimus said:

LOL I assume you’re talking about me. I’m not defending Trump, I’m defending the office and authority of the president, I don’t care who it is. Trust me, the only time I listen to Trump or his “team” is when I need a laugh. Their talk has nothing to do with my opinion. I follow the facts and have since it started with Clinton emails. The facts say you don’t have any evidence. Calling Trump treasonous is a serious accusation and especially one where you don’t have a shred of evidence. Conflicting stories and process crimes prove nothing. What do the conflicting stories tell you?

 

What are these super obvious crimes that will be coming out? How have I written them off? I haven’t written anything off because you haven’t shown me, nobody has. To say I have my opinion because the “trump team is discrediting” is such a cop out bullshit thing to say. I’m being honest. I have tried to get something for 2 pages and I haven’t gotten anything. Just people talking about wishful thinking and comparing the office of the presidency to a mafia boss like there isn’t any difference in constitutional authority. People being happy about erosion of attorney client privilege. If it’s super obvious then I’m not seeing it, please help me understand. Without the ignorance hidden behind weak snark please, like some of the others here lol. 

 

Woah! How do I fix the text?

The lies and conflicting stories clearly show that they are hiding things, are trying to get thier stories straight, or at the very least shows thier word cant be trusted. There are constant revalations of new meetings we didnt know about for starters.

Do you think he actually fired James Comey because he thought that James was too mean to Hillary?

People not getting their story straight doesn’t prove treason though. It doesn’t prove anything. Do you think nobody has met with Russians before the Trump campaign? What super obvious crimes are you talking about? I’m just trying to figure out what I’m missing. 

 

No lol. He was fired because he was a boob. The firing of Comey didn’t stop the investigation. I said the dems wanted him fired because he was mean to Hillary. He wasn’t though really, she skated Scott free. That doesn’t prove anything besides how dumb the Dem leadership is and the blame complex going around.

 

i think some people are having a nervous breakdown and would believe anything before believing they lost that election fair and square. How could Cheeto Jesus win an election? There has to be something right? He has to be a Russian sleeper. Okay, where is the evidence? So and so lied isn’t proof of anything. I’m not taking trumps word on anything, show me some evidence that I could consider. 



massimus said:
Smear-Gel said:

The lies and conflicting stories clearly show that they are hiding things, are trying to get thier stories straight, or at the very least shows thier word cant be trusted. There are constant revalations of new meetings we didnt know about for starters.

Do you think he actually fired James Comey because he thought that James was too mean to Hillary?

People not getting their story straight doesn’t prove treason though. It doesn’t prove anything. Do you think nobody has met with Russians before the Trump campaign? What super obvious crimes are you talking about? I’m just trying to figure out what I’m missing. 

 

No lol. He was fired because he was a boob. The firing of Comey didn’t stop the investigation. I said the dems wanted him fired because he was mean to Hillary. He wasn’t though really, she skated Scott free. That doesn’t prove anything besides how dumb the Dem leadership is and the blame complex going around.

 

i think some people are having a nervous breakdown and would believe anything before believing they lost that election fair and square. How could Cheeto Jesus win an election? There has to be something right? He has to be a Russian sleeper. Okay, where is the evidence? So and so lied isn’t proof of anything. I’m not taking trumps word on anything, show me some evidence that I could consider. 

The official Trump campaign response was that he was fired because of that. And of course it didnt stop the investigation, but Trump wanted to hamper it.

The combination of lies, fake stories, secret meetings, withheld information and the progress that Mueller has made in terms of guilty pleas and arrests make me less than willing to think that everything related to the election and subsequent investigation was above board. I actually dont get why its so hard to understand why many people would think this way.

Obviously I'm patiently waiting for the investigation to bring forth the necessary info that shows something went on, so I'm not going to definitivly say anything, but to me (and many others) their actions surrounding this whole ordeal makes it so clear they are hiding incredibly damaging information and Trump is getting increasingly desperate to end this before things get worse.



H.E.R. said:
Why is the tax plan a positive for Trump?

Deficit is growing...
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-republicans-growing-deficit/

...while wage growth is still anemic.
https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/

And corporations are using their new money on stock buybacks at a record rate.
http://time.com/money/5267940/companies-spending-trump-tax-cuts-stock-buybacks/

Because Dear Leader is so hilariously unaccomplished that whenever he actually does something they need to call it a win.

Meanwhile, in Reality, he's only made things worse for his country and those unfortunate enough to live there.