I first thought...it’s Christmas. Don’t want to think about this imbecile today, but I just saw Trump praying. If Jesus existed today he’d be the first he’d target. Most unchristian President ever.
Last November, | |||
| I supported him and I still do - Americas | 91 | 15.77% | |
| I supported him and I now don't - Americas | 16 | 2.77% | |
| I supported him and I still do - Europe | 37 | 6.41% | |
| I supported him and I now don't - Europe | 7 | 1.21% | |
| I supported him and I still do - Asia | 6 | 1.04% | |
| I supported him and I now don't - Asia | 1 | 0.17% | |
| I supported him and I still do - RoW | 15 | 2.60% | |
| I supported him and I now don't - RoW | 2 | 0.35% | |
| I didn't support him and still don't. | 373 | 64.64% | |
| I didn't support him and now do. | 29 | 5.03% | |
| Total: | 577 | ||
I first thought...it’s Christmas. Don’t want to think about this imbecile today, but I just saw Trump praying. If Jesus existed today he’d be the first he’d target. Most unchristian President ever.
| Errorist76 said: I first thought...it’s Christmas. Don’t want to think about this imbecile today, but I just saw Trump praying. If Jesus existed today he’d be the first he’d target. Most unchristian President ever. |
Umm, what makes unchristian a bad thing?
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bdbdbd said:
Umm, what makes unchristian a bad thing? |
Christian values are objectively noble ones, and I’m not a believer at all. Trump is greedy, selfish, ignorant..not very noble values at all.
Just to be clear I’m not saying that what is done in the name of Christianity is uniquely great, not at all. Especially when power hungry people like Trump are abusing it.
At least on Christmas he is calling out others and berating people. He is also very humble.
“Some parents let their young kids win at games, but mine never did. I don't think it was because they were particularly competitive, they just wanted to teach me a valuable lesson. Life is mostly just learning how to lose.”
I think he was always wrong but he brought up some issues that were valid like Illegal Immigration, Crime in the Big Cities and Trade.
However he had the worst solutions on those issues.
Errorist76 said:
Christian values are objectively noble ones, and I’m not a believer at all. Trump is greedy, selfish, ignorant..not very noble values at all. Just to be clear I’m not saying that what is done in the name of Christianity is uniquely great, not at all. Especially when power hungry people like Trump are abusing it. |
Religious values are first and foremost politics - which is why people like Marx thought religions should be demolished (as competing ideologies).
What you're talking about isn't christian values per se, but secular values of western societies. Similar example in the muslim world would be Iran in the 70's. In secular societies religion have become more of an personal philosophy for people, rather than a codex for how you should live.
Now, what are noble values? Religions (and all the other ideologies) consider it noble if you eliminate everyone that opposes the (premise of the) ideology.
It's highly unlikely that anyone who's not power hungry will end up in a high political position, because there are power hungry people who are willing to do anything to get into power. Trump, however, looks like a politician we'll be seeing more in the future - someone who comes from outside the politics (is not corrupted) and refuses to be controlled by media. Basically Trump did the excact same thing Jussi Halla-aho did a decade earlier, and I'm quite sure Trump campaign learned a lot from Jussi's.
I really don't think Trump is as bad as the option had been.
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bdbdbd said:
Religious values are first and foremost politics - which is why people like Marx thought religions should be demolished (as competing ideologies). What you're talking about isn't christian values per se, but secular values of western societies. Similar example in the muslim world would be Iran in the 70's. In secular societies religion have become more of an personal philosophy for people, rather than a codex for how you should live. Now, what are noble values? Religions (and all the other ideologies) consider it noble if you eliminate everyone that opposes the (premise of the) ideology. It's highly unlikely that anyone who's not power hungry will end up in a high political position, because there are power hungry people who are willing to do anything to get into power. Trump, however, looks like a politician we'll be seeing more in the future - someone who comes from outside the politics (is not corrupted) and refuses to be controlled by media. Basically Trump did the excact same thing Jussi Halla-aho did a decade earlier, and I'm quite sure Trump campaign learned a lot from Jussi's. I really don't think Trump is as bad as the option had been. |
Did you honestly say Trump is not corrupted just because he bad mouthes the free press, the one democratic instrument there to keep the people in power in check?!
Trump is greatly corrupted by his friends, the people he works for. He’s possibly more corrupt than any of the American presidents before him. It’s astonishing people are still that naive to believe that ‘drain the swamp’ rhetoric after all he’s done.
Errorist76 said:
Did you honestly say Trump is not corrupted just because he bad mouthes the free press, the one democratic instrument there to keep the people in power in check?! Trump is greatly corrupted by his friends, the people he works for. He’s possibly more corrupt than any of the American presidents before him. It’s astonishing people are still that naive to believe that ‘drain the swamp’ rhetoric after all he’s done. |
Ehh... No, I'm not naive. I think now you are being naive. The thing is, that when you climb up the typical party ladder, you can climb it only by pleasing the instances that actually fund the party (and it's members) by various, more or less open, means. By the time you actually can get in a position you could make any change, you're already corrupted from tip to toe.
Free press, what is free press? Is it free from the financial interests of the advertisers? With great freedom comes great responsibility, so who keeps the press in check? For the whole 2000's the press has been more or less only opinion pieces for the editor - it's hard to find a news story these days where the news story doesn't have a twist that makes the story to fit the editor's view. If the wheat fields are polluting water in California, you can't find a news story that didn't mention that "they're also farming cows nearby", just because the editor is a fucking vegan or something (in fact, farming cows instead of wheat in California, would be great for environment), or when you read a story about how harmful soy is for environment, it's always mentioned that soy is used as food for cattle, or there's been a fighting in far-right demonstration, but what the news don't mention is, that it's been the far-left that came to pick a fight in the demonstration. When you read a story about politics and it fits the editor's view, it's viewed only as positive, and if it doesn't, it's viewed only as negative. And the list goes on and on and on...
Trump seems to be calling out the press for the bullshit it's been spewing for the last two decades - and rightfully so. Why doesn't the free press call Trump out for his bullshit for the Mexican border wall - if the people running away from Mexico is benefical for USA, Mexico should gladly pay for the wall, and if they're harmful for Mexico somehow, they're harmful for USA aswell, so it's in US' citizens interest to build a wall on the border.
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| craighopkins said: God bless Trump.. Making America great again and draining the swamp |
If you are a christian I don´t think your "god" would have a very high opinion of him :). And in what way is hiring Wall street and giving large corporations and rich politicians giant tax breaks "draining the swamp"? He is just doing what his donors want just like most politicians.
Errorist76 said:
Did you honestly say Trump is not corrupted just because he bad mouthes the free press, the one democratic instrument there to keep the people in power in check?! Trump is greatly corrupted by his friends, the people he works for. He’s possibly more corrupt than any of the American presidents before him. It’s astonishing people are still that naive to believe that ‘drain the swamp’ rhetoric after all he’s done. |
CNN is further from free press than Fox News, which is saying a whole lot considering Fox uses fear tactics to control their older conservative base, whether or not it's factually true. At LEAST Fox OCCASIONALLY acknowledges the other side while CNN demonizes it at all costs (being a Libertarian in a household commonly watching Fox, I know it firsthand).
Free press is a medium where there are no holdbacks according to government or political ideology. Media companies like CNN, NY Times, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc. are funded predominantly by large corporations with political backings and by rich politicians. These companies control the money and want these cable news networks and newspapers to report their desires, meaning that these companies are bitches to their sponsors/donors and not a free press. Free press is where only actual and truthful news is reported, and both sides have fair representation and hear each other out. If you think a place like CNN, the E! News of the political landscape, is a credible source, then you are full of it.
Why does Trump put forth Fox before other news networks? Two reasons, to stroke his ego (he's a New York businessman, he's gonna have an ego, just deal with it and quit being offended by it) and to acknowledge that they actually report good things instead of skewing it like CNN.
Lastly, I voted for Trump as I stated earlier, but am not a cultist follower or Trump's personal bitch. I will call him out whenever he actually does something wrong, immoral, or illegal and it is justified.
I will say the only thing so far I did not approve of Trump University, but the Clinton's did basically the same thing, so in all honesty it doesn't hold as much weight as it would have if it had only been Trump. However, that's what you get when you nominate the worst candidate in history.