Forums - Politics Discussion - Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
SegataSanshiro said:
The_Yoda said:

As long as you admit to being a bigot I guess it is ok /s ... I sure wouldn't want to be in the same boat as a group of people I hated, just as bad as them but thinking I'm better and above them ... kinda sad man. 

I don't like racism either, but for me people are rarely defined by a single flaw in their reasoning or character (personal notable exceptions murderers, pedophiles, rapists).  I know people that I generally like that have racist views but like other character flaws those flaws don't make them devoid of any other redeeming qualities.  The fact you see people with racist views or even those that support someone despite said flaw and see them as "subhuman" ... now there is some very shallow thinking.  What's worse is you should know better since you hate those people for nearly the same kind of mindset.

You're wrong. But hey supporting hitler doesn't mean those people didn't have redeeming qualities. Fuck this topic.  Thankfully a lot is stopping Trump from being a full blown dictator but he has the same mindsetDon't quote  and his followers often seem very familiar to history.  Don't quote me again.

I know you don't want me to quote you (most likely because deep down you know I'm right) but you are presenting yourself just like a racist from my limited vantage point into your person.  Your only defense hyperbolic comparison to Hitler.  You sir have the very same mindset as a racist but you already admitted to bigotry so I guess you know that. It's a flaw you have but as I said before it is but one part of who you are and although I don't like it, it doesn't mean I dislike you. Step back and try to put yourself in other's shoes and perhaps you can gain some perspective.  Perspective and empathy are powerful things.  Sorry if my opinion upsets you, I like to be honest with people.



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Errorist76 said:

And people wonder how Hitler came to power.... 

This guy is a million times more stupid (not mad) and people still fall for it.



The worst of that deal?  Even after all the proof of Hitler trying to erase a whole race of people off the earth(up to 15-20 million...they'll never even know the numbers), there are people in Germany and even the rest of the world that STILL deny the holocaust even happened.

Trump isn't mass murdering people (unless he bombs N. Korea) but he surely is murdering the line between right and wrong while he craps on anything he *thinks* he personally knows(he talks more out of his ass than someone who eats Taco Bell three times a day x 7 days a week).  Some of his tweets are outright fraudulent yet nobody takes them to task let alone add ALL the fraud, lies, half lies, bad faced lies, attacks on people and places that can't defend themselves(like Puerto Rico where he blamed THEM for them not being able to just pick up things when the place was so run down and bad, to begin with, because the continental USA having ignored them/forcing them into trade deals that profited the continental USA companies at the expense of the P/R people.

Go look up the Jones Act and prepare to barf your lunch on to the floor at how well the P/R people are treated. Just one of many things keeping them poor and essentially a third world country attached to the bottom of a  first world country that turns a blind eye to their plight.



WolfpackN64 said:
I didn't and don't support him at all. But I see Donald Trump as a symptom of many things which are wrong in the USA (and in the rest of the world), not as a cause. He's just a man that got voted in a position of power because the country is sick to it's core. If Hillary was elected, it would just have delayed the inevitable rise of populism.

It is kind of funny to see the smug Democrats flailing wildly though.

Well said. 



tokilamockingbrd said:
Errorist76 said:

When did the pope officially apologise for the KKK’s doings?! Or Anders Breivik’s for that matter?! (Just because you asked, you might actually remember him in Belgium)

Again if you really think the majority of Islam support Daesh|ISIL you’re so so wrong. They’re the devil impersonate to them as well.

I apologise for asking you for your friendship once, didn’t think you’d be such a racist bigot. Sadly very disappointed.

Why the hell would the Pope have to speak out against KKK? For one the KKK member if Christian were mostly Protestent. Catholic church has a very small following in the South.

The pope represents catholics, which speaks universally since catholics represent the majority of Christians in the world due to conquest.



Ruler said:
SecondWar said:

Which war? I've looked and cant find any significant war that began in 2009 that involved the US. Admittedly I'm not checking Infowars or Breitbart (and don't intend to).

Ehmm Lybia? The US and Nato bombed it to the ground. And now people complain about the refugees entering trough lybia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lybia

I think you'll find Lybia is a genus of small crab. Not sure what that has to do with war or Obama.

If you mean Libya, as I said in my last post in reponse to this, that war began in 2011 (so not Obama's first year) and was the result of Arab Spring. You have the flip side that has Nato not got involved, you'd have seen a massive military repression as Gaddafi purged his opponents to cement his contol. So it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't sceanrio. 



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SecondWar said:
Ruler said:

Ehmm Lybia? The US and Nato bombed it to the ground. And now people complain about the refugees entering trough lybia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lybia

I think you'll find Lybia is a genus of small crab. Not sure what that has to do with war or Obama.

If you mean Libya, as I said in my last post in reponse to this, that war began in 2011 (so not Obama's first year) and was the result of Arab Spring. You have the flip side that has Nato not got involved, you'd have seen a massive military repression as Gaddafi purged his opponents to cement his contol. So it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't sceanrio. 

Yeah but he got the noble peace price for no reason whatsoever, and started a war just some years later. No it wasnt a damned if you do or not situation, the US has the biggest prison population on earth is that not repression, why not invading and sanctioning it by the same logic?

If Gaddafi would have gotten his way ISIS woulnt exist in  north africa, you wouldnt see the migrant crisis in europe and you wouldnt have seen a second Libyan civil war that is still going on and costed more lives than the war by Gaddafi. Under Gaddafi Libya had the same GDP per capita like Western Europe, the US and Nato bombed the country to the ground and ruined millions of lives. 

There is no excuse for Obama to be not a failure as a president. What did he accomplish as a president for his base in two terms by the way?

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Ruler said:
SecondWar said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lybia

I think you'll find Lybia is a genus of small crab. Not sure what that has to do with war or Obama.

If you mean Libya, as I said in my last post in reponse to this, that war began in 2011 (so not Obama's first year) and was the result of Arab Spring. You have the flip side that has Nato not got involved, you'd have seen a massive military repression as Gaddafi purged his opponents to cement his contol. So it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't sceanrio. 

Yeah but he got the noble peace price for no reason whatsoever, and started a war just some years later. No it wasnt a damned if you do or not situation, the US has the biggest prison population on earth is that not repression, why not invading and sanctioning it by the same logic?

If Gaddafi would have gotten his way ISIS woulnt exist in  north africa, you wouldnt see the migrant crisis in europe and you wouldnt have seen a second Libyan civil war that is still going on and costed more lives than the war by Gaddafi. Under Gaddafi Libya had the same GDP per capita like Western Europe, the US and Nato bombed the country to the ground and ruined millions of lives. 

There is no excuse for Obama to be not a failure as a president. What did he accomplish as a president for his base in two terms by the way?

 

The US helped create Al-Qaeda, the USA helped create ISIS but in both things Obama was not involved originally. Obama surely was no Saint either and yeah, Libya was a huge mistake just as supporting the so called "rebels" in Syria...Both those mistakes, together with the useless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan caused by boths Bushs, are mainly responsible for the situation our world is in today. Main reasons are the U.S. trying to meddle in too many affairs and playing the world police when they should have rather stayed calm, now everybody else has to suffer from it. 

At least Obama got Bin Laden, for better or worse. And yes, his drone attacks only made ISIS stronger.

It pains me to see Trump is again trying to start the next crisis and seems to have learned nothing from the past mistakes.



He is good...

 

The mainstream media has been trying to get him out for months and it hasn't worked.

 

I like that he is anti political correctness and I can't gey enough of him ripping left wing news outlets who pretend to be nonpartisan like CNN and NBC.



A lot of people support him. They are just too scared to admit it. A lot more people support him then the polls show.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

Why the hell would the Pope have to speak out against KKK? For one the KKK member if Christian were mostly Protestent. Catholic church has a very small following in the South.

The pope represents catholics, which speaks universally since catholics represent the majority of Christians in the world due to conquest.

KKK persecuted Catholics and the Pope does not speak for non-Catholics. Getting the Pope to apologize for the KKK is absurd.

Edit: If it's not clear, I agree with Errorist's point behind his post.

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