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Forums - Politics - Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

 

Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

Isn't that the problem.  Its not that we have had shady presidents in the pass, its the fact that people seem to accept this type of personality as the President as the norm.  Have we really gone so low now that we just treat this type of behavior as "Oh, Trump...you silly rascal." and actually think about reelecting such a person.

This is a certain type of self promotion and deception that goes beyond ego.  This is a person who tries to always self promote their image no matter how debase it is.  It gives a clear picture of why Trump continues to lie about everything.  This is the classic play book of a conman. 

When people use to say that Trump is for the people I use to laugh so hard.  Trump is and probably never will be for the people.  He will always be for Trump and everyone else plays a role to increase his image.  Trump lies as much as he does because he is always looking to control the narrative and perception of anything that revolves around him.  This is why he doesn't care when he lies about stuff he doesn't have to lie about.  It comes to a point where you have to ask your self, how stupid do Trump think you are.  

Yeah being shady is not cool but like if a President is atleast compentent when it comes to policies they get pass then I could care less about their personal stuff.

I feel that like every President is for the people in some kind of form. For example Trump did not have to be President since he is already rich and he isnt doing it for the money. He really gains nothing from it then being streesed all the time, and being in a history book.

At BOLDED:  That would only make sense if Trump was content with what his current wealth is.  Since we really do not know where Trump stand financially, you really cannot base what he does on what he tells you his current wealth is at.  If anything since Trump will not show his tax returns, you would have to wonder if Cohen was telling the truth that Trump isn't as wealthy as he wants everyone to believe.  Last but not least, the Tax cut and getting rid of the inheritance tax was big gains to his business and stashing away cash to his kids to get around pay taxes like his papa did in the past.  You can also lump what he though would be increase business to his properties because he is president.

Another thing to consider based on that whole portrait con is that being President fits right along within his self promotion image.  Being President contains a serious status change compared to being a businessman.  No person I believe understand how stressful being President will be before getting into office.  Look at Obama before and during his second term as president.  it look like he aged 20 years. 



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Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

Yeah being shady is not cool but like if a President is atleast compentent when it comes to policies they get pass then I could care less about their personal stuff.

I feel that like every President is for the people in some kind of form. For example Trump did not have to be President since he is already rich and he isnt doing it for the money. He really gains nothing from it then being streesed all the time, and being in a history book.

At BOLDED:  That would only make sense if Trump was content with what his current wealth is.  Since we really do not know where Trump stand financially, you really cannot base what he does on what he tells you his current wealth is at.  If anything since Trump will not show his tax returns, you would have to wonder if Cohen was telling the truth that Trump isn't as wealthy as he wants everyone to believe.  Last but not least, the Tax cut and getting rid of the inheritance tax was big gains to his business and stashing away cash to his kids to get around pay taxes like his papa did in the past.  You can also lump what he though would be increase business to his properties because he is president.

Another thing to consider based on that whole portrait con is that being President fits right along within his self promotion image.  Being President contains a serious status change compared to being a businessman.  No person I believe understand how stressful being President will be before getting into office.  Look at Obama before and during his second term as president.  it look like he aged 20 years. 

But Trump gave up his salary and only makes $1 as President. I'm pretty sure he was making more than $1 before he ran for President XD.

I guess you're right about most folks not understanding the stress but I think most understand it's a lot of work.



jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

At BOLDED:  That would only make sense if Trump was content with what his current wealth is.  Since we really do not know where Trump stand financially, you really cannot base what he does on what he tells you his current wealth is at.  If anything since Trump will not show his tax returns, you would have to wonder if Cohen was telling the truth that Trump isn't as wealthy as he wants everyone to believe.  Last but not least, the Tax cut and getting rid of the inheritance tax was big gains to his business and stashing away cash to his kids to get around pay taxes like his papa did in the past.  You can also lump what he though would be increase business to his properties because he is president.

Another thing to consider based on that whole portrait con is that being President fits right along within his self promotion image.  Being President contains a serious status change compared to being a businessman.  No person I believe understand how stressful being President will be before getting into office.  Look at Obama before and during his second term as president.  it look like he aged 20 years. 

But Trump gave up his salary and only makes $1 as President. I'm pretty sure he was making more than $1 before he ran for President XD.

I guess you're right about most folks not understanding the stress but I think most understand it's a lot of work.

On the other hand, he gave himself an estimated 15M a year tax cut as soon as he entered office, which largely outweights the 400K a year he would have earned as paycheck for being president.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
jason1637 said:

But Trump gave up his salary and only makes $1 as President. I'm pretty sure he was making more than $1 before he ran for President XD.

I guess you're right about most folks not understanding the stress but I think most understand it's a lot of work.

On the other hand, he gave himself an estimated 15M a year tax cut as soon as he entered office, which largely outweights the 400K a year he would have earned as paycheck for being president.

Taxes are not long term. They increase and reduce. H e would have been better off long term just running his business than passing a tax plan that will probably be changed once Dems get enough power.



I also wanted to point out that our government keeps lowering the rate in which someone is considered impoverished each year, among other tactics with other stats.

That's why those "economic charts" have had boners since 2010. People of this country have actually gotten poorer over that time frame.



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jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

At BOLDED:  That would only make sense if Trump was content with what his current wealth is.  Since we really do not know where Trump stand financially, you really cannot base what he does on what he tells you his current wealth is at.  If anything since Trump will not show his tax returns, you would have to wonder if Cohen was telling the truth that Trump isn't as wealthy as he wants everyone to believe.  Last but not least, the Tax cut and getting rid of the inheritance tax was big gains to his business and stashing away cash to his kids to get around pay taxes like his papa did in the past.  You can also lump what he though would be increase business to his properties because he is president.

Another thing to consider based on that whole portrait con is that being President fits right along within his self promotion image.  Being President contains a serious status change compared to being a businessman.  No person I believe understand how stressful being President will be before getting into office.  Look at Obama before and during his second term as president.  it look like he aged 20 years. 

But Trump gave up his salary and only makes $1 as President. I'm pretty sure he was making more than $1 before he ran for President XD.

I guess you're right about most folks not understanding the stress but I think most understand it's a lot of work.

Come on, do you believe the millions Trump has gained from the Tax cuts is even close to that chump change the President makes a year.  Hell, most CEOs of even middle level companies bring home more than that.  Jason, please tell me you did not fall for that piece of gamesmanship.



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

But Trump gave up his salary and only makes $1 as President. I'm pretty sure he was making more than $1 before he ran for President XD.

I guess you're right about most folks not understanding the stress but I think most understand it's a lot of work.

Come on, do you believe the millions Trump has gained from the Tax cuts is even close to that chump change the President makes a year.  Hell, most CEOs of even middle level companies bring home more than that.  Jason, please tell me you did not fall for that piece of gamesmanship.

Thats my point. Why become President when he can make more by running his businesses. ven if you give a tax cut it will be undone when the other party comes into power.



cycycychris said:

Thread Warning!

The back seat moderating ends here.

Also cut out the flaming and name calling.We are more than capable of having a civil discussion in this thread.

The members deserve to know why one group get to spread its hate and lies unchallenged and the offended group can't even stand up for itself with accurate facts without a moderate telling them to stay in their place and take it. Its unbecoming and the bias on display is counter to the rules of the thread. 



PortisheadBiscuit said:
EricHiggin said:

Let's safely assume his actions are based on the actions taken by others towards him. It's constantly pointed out that Trump treats people who say good things about him well, so it would only make sense that the people who make fun of him for non political, personal things, like petulant children do, are going to receive negative reactions from him. Maybe they should try to be just ever so slightly nicer and see what happens. You can't go and constantly make fun of someone and expect them to say thank you. Also, just imagine if the left and MSM were bashing Trump like they do and he just sat there and took it and never said or did a thing. It would make Trump look super weak, especially to other countries, and any self respecting Prez would rather look like a strong jerk than a weak flake.

Actually, clapping back at every little petty thing suggests weakness on his part. Having the most important job in the country (probably the world) you'd think he'd rise above criticism and focus on the task at hand. Nope, he's a bully and his fragile ego prevents him from being the ultimate professional he should be. 

People should be a little nicer to him??? Pffff how about Trump leading by example? He's created this negative aura around him all on his own accord. 

Good to know the Prez shouldn't "clap back" when other countries approach the line from time to time. No reason to give them warning and let them know you won't be putting up with their wrongdoings. I guess that means that reporter who went missing in the middle east is no big deal because it was just a poke to the U.S. and not worth doing anything about. I guess Trump should just disregard NK and let them build up their nuclear program without batting an eye because it's just background noise for now.

Is that the type of example you'd like him to set, or is there a certain set of rules you specifically would like him to live by as Prez? Are you worthy of being Prez? Then how do you know exactly how they should conduct themselves to be the best they can be for all the people?

Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

I don't know, who was it? It surely wasn't me, as I did not say Trump accomplished anything. Well will they? So far since he's become Prez that's been the overwhelming trend. Isn't that part of the reason why it's claimed that climate change is an immediate threat? Trends over time? I never said anything about Trump hating the left for what they deem as a accomplishment, I said it's a bold claim to say he doesn't care about the left. He cares about his daughter and she's known/seen as a liberal. 

It's as if I want fairness and equality, so often preached by the left. Yet the large majority of what's thrown at Trump is negative hate. Bashing the Prez for doing something stupid is one thing, but bashing him because of things such as his skin color, well, not sure how the left think the right will come to terms with them if they won't live by their own creed.

lol, still playing the Trump game.  Never said you stated Trump accomplished anything, I stated you are blaming everyone else for Trump's failure which is totally different.  You stated no matter what he would do, the left would find fault.  Children use that kind of logic when they do something wrong.  My son tried that on me when we asked him why he punched someone in school. He was like, no matter what I say you will not believe me.  I told him if he did not lie so much he wouldn't have that concern today.  He was looking for pity and I was clear there isn't any.  You live and die by your choices nothing is given in this world.

Left this right that, whatever.  There is no fairness on either side because each side only sees what they want to see.  As long as you only see left and right instead of people, you will always fall under the same trap.  You are so consumed about labels you forget that everyone no matter left or right actually share a lot of common ideals.  What separate each group is each group trying to put the other into a box so they can them paint them with a broad stroke.  As you rail against the left, you act no better than what you see or paint them to be.  

Ya, you did. You initially asked who, and then followed up by pointing out it was me and then explained your reasoning.

I am blaming everyone else? Everyone? How often do the left just let something go, or say something positive about Trump, in comparison to finding a way to bash him by any means? Children exaggerate... especially when they are caught or in trouble. Who's fault is it that your son lies all the time? Who set that example? Who should have put a stop to it asap? 

Partially true yes. When did I say I think everyone has nothing in common and can't come to terms in some cases? I don't remember using a word like deplorable since words that have no place when talking about the public in general. Rail against the left? I responded to a hit against the right. I'm balancing the viewpoint on the subject. You don't get balance by letting someone knock you down and continue to kick you while your down, slowly accumulating more kickers. The reason why the boxes exist is because while I, from time to time see a center righty or indy admit they are wrong or at least admit they didn't see things a certain way and need to rethink their position, I almost never see a lefty do so. They tend to spin the point or lie through their teeth if need be to hold their position. The far right can be the same way. It's like weighing a bar of gold vs a feather and expecting them to agree the scale should be balanced. The feather can't do much to gain weight, but the gold bar can sure change to lose enough to balance the scale, but it's gold, so why would it degrade itself, right? Equality?



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