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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577

Thanks. ...And good follow-up.

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PortisheadBiscuit said:
EricHiggin said:

I don't know, who was it? It surely wasn't me, as I did not say Trump accomplished anything. Well will they? So far since he's become Prez that's been the overwhelming trend. Isn't that part of the reason why it's claimed that climate change is an immediate threat? Trends over time? I never said anything about Trump hating the left for what they deem as a accomplishment, I said it's a bold claim to say he doesn't care about the left. He cares about his daughter and she's known/seen as a liberal. 

It's as if I want fairness and equality, so often preached by the left. Yet the large majority of what's thrown at Trump is negative hate. Bashing the Prez for doing something stupid is one thing, but bashing him because of things such as his skin color, well, not sure how the left think the right will come to terms with them if they won't live by their own creed.

He brings the negativity upon himself by his actions. Possibly if he didn't conduct himself like a petulant child, people would have more respect for him regardless of their politcal views. 

Let's safely assume his actions are based on the actions taken by others towards him. It's constantly pointed out that Trump treats people who say good things about him well, so it would only make sense that the people who make fun of him for non political, personal things, like petulant children do, are going to receive negative reactions from him. Maybe they should try to be just ever so slightly nicer and see what happens. You can't go and constantly make fun of someone and expect them to say thank you. Also, just imagine if the left and MSM were bashing Trump like they do and he just sat there and took it and never said or did a thing. It would make Trump look super weak, especially to other countries, and any self respecting Prez would rather look like a strong jerk than a weak flake.

jason1637 said:
EricHiggin said:

Nordham is a racist pro abortion pos. Shocked he is still in office.

Early on in the clip he tries to distance himself because he knows this ain't good.

He tries to make it seem like it's only about deformed/non viable fetus' when that's only one of the many possibilities.

Then he explains a baby can be born and a discussion can be had between the mother and doctors about whether the baby get's to live or not.

Finally he says he thinks multiple doctors and a second opinion is what makes sense but that the bill is trying to allow just the mother to have the final say period.

This guy is a piece of work. First the blackface kkk pic and now this?



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CommandoII said:
Thanks. ...And good follow-up.

I did have another son and he just turned 9 a few weeks ago. :)
...And he's already learning Linux :D

That's awesome!



jason1637 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

How many? And, do they compare with Mr Orange?

Don't know a number off the dome but there has been quite a few Presidents that were shady. Idk if they compare to Mr. Orange (lol) some probably worse some probably not as bad.

I find it weird that we act like most of our Presidents we're top tier guys when in reality quite a few of them were not great people. 

^^^^ yuuuuup.  Here is a list I put together :)

1st.  George Washington -  Was accussed of rigging lotteries.

3rd.  Thomas Jefferson -  Stated publicly that he was Christian in keeping with the times;  However, particularilly given his various rationalities would be accused of bieng an athiest.  He even wrote HIS OWN VERSION of the bible; a great read admittedly but, a bit scandalous nonetheless.  Also, his own Foundation has declared that he had relations with Sally Hemmings which has been viewed as a big scandal for quite some time.

10th.  John Tylor – Kicked out of his political party after his cabinet resigned.  (Also, he was a slave owner as many of these early presidents are; so you can attribute your own assertation of“shadyness” to the list).
13th.  Millard Fillmore -  Criticsized for the Slave Fugitive act and accused of many things, among those having back-door deals with the mormons.  Also alleged to have had ties to extremists.

16th.  Abraham Lincoln amidst MANY other scandals and accused of provoking the country into war.  Openly suspended “Writ of habbeaus corpus”  (that's our right to a fair trial) so he could have his political opponents and military officers and other citizens EXECUTED for NOT voting for him
^ Fucking TYRANT – THE WORST US President EVER!!

18th. - Ulysses S. Grant - Ulysses S. Grant Launched an Illegal War Against the Plains Indians, Then Lied About It.  Grant's presidency was plagued by numerous public scandals, while the nation plunged into a severe economic depression.
^ That HAS to be at LEAST as bad as Trump

20th.  James A. Garfield - Crédit Mobilier scheme where he was accused on both sides of the aisle for a massive financial scandal.


That's the short list for old presidents (not gonna list or entertain every thing out there – A lot of racist scandals and “who's your daddy?” type stuff was common and to me not worth mentioning.
For the latter presidents you can just flip through Wikipedia at that point, I think it would not be helpful to continue, suffice it to say basically all the presidents have been considered scandalous, this is nothing new.  It's just we live today and it's “news” to us.



EricHiggin said:

Let's safely assume his actions are based on the actions taken by others towards him. It's constantly pointed out that Trump treats people who say good things about him well, so it would only make sense that the people who make fun of him for non political, personal things, like petulant children do, are going to receive negative reactions from him. Maybe they should try to be just ever so slightly nicer and see what happens. You can't go and constantly make fun of someone and expect them to say thank you. Also, just imagine if the left and MSM were bashing Trump like they do and he just sat there and took it and never said or did a thing. It would make Trump look super weak, especially to other countries, and any self respecting Prez would rather look like a strong jerk than a weak flake.

Actually, clapping back at every little petty thing suggests weakness on his part. Having the most important job in the country (probably the world) you'd think he'd rise above criticism and focus on the task at hand. Nope, he's a bully and his fragile ego prevents him from being the ultimate professional he should be. 

People should be a little nicer to him??? Pffff how about Trump leading by example? He's created this negative aura around him all on his own accord. 



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PortisheadBiscuit said:
EricHiggin said:

Let's safely assume his actions are based on the actions taken by others towards him. It's constantly pointed out that Trump treats people who say good things about him well, so it would only make sense that the people who make fun of him for non political, personal things, like petulant children do, are going to receive negative reactions from him. Maybe they should try to be just ever so slightly nicer and see what happens. You can't go and constantly make fun of someone and expect them to say thank you. Also, just imagine if the left and MSM were bashing Trump like they do and he just sat there and took it and never said or did a thing. It would make Trump look super weak, especially to other countries, and any self respecting Prez would rather look like a strong jerk than a weak flake.

Actually, clapping back at every little petty thing suggests weakness on his part. Having the most important job in the country (probably the world) you'd think he'd rise above criticism and focus on the task at hand. Nope, he's a bully and his fragile ego prevents him from being the ultimate professional he should be. 

People should be a little nicer to him??? Pffff how about Trump leading by example? He's created this negative aura around him all on his own accord. 

This is why i find American politics important, because it has repercussions on the rest of the world.



Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

I will say I just wanted to throw out that bullet point because I thought it was funny more than trying to paint anyone within the thread having those qualities.  Even thought in my last paragraph I talk about the cult like mentality I will agree its not singled to just someone who support Trump.  That type of mentality is a cult like behavior which can be exhibited by any group.

Interesting enough, before Trump first year, my brother and I thought that Trump actually could bring some type of change to the president office because he was neither Dem or Republican and if he played things right could venture across party lines.  That all went to hell once he got into office and basically played the same play book as he has done before public office.

Can Trump do good, yes.  Does that mean he has the qualification for a complex job as being President of the United States, hell no.

That's a nice and grounded reaction of you and i agree with it.

yeah i think a lot of people thought that voting for him meant voting for no puppet as president and Hillary did not have the perfect image herself to compete with him,American elections are also such a fake show that it sometimes leaves people clueless on what to think and on who to vote for.

I personally would love to see someone who isn't a Dem or Republican get into the President seat just to see what happens.  That person would need to be a master negotiator because getting Dems and GOP on the same page in this ultra partisan environment would take a special type of person.  The crazy part is that Trump could have been that person if he actually lived up to the hype he tries to create around himself.  If he truly was a person who knows it all, master negotiator and a stable genius (not being funny).  Even if Trump is a true con man as I see him, if he still actually possessed those qualities it would be very interesting to see if he would have brought the 2 parties in line.  Either way, I want him to serve out his 4 years because only then can you really see his effect on the office and the nation.



EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

Who was it that was blaming the Left as a barometer of Trump accomplishment.  You used it as some type of statement to make it appear no matter what Trump does the left will find fault.  The question to you would be why would Trump care what the left consider an accomplishment.  When has Trump ever cared about what the left consider as an  accomplishment.  He has always did what he believe his base wants, so your whole defense was a total straw man argument. 

Its as if you want someone to pity Trump.  No one pities a President.  Its one of the toughest jobs on the planet and if the person who seeks that Job isn't ready for constant bashing every president gets then maybe they should seek another job.

I don't know, who was it? It surely wasn't me, as I did not say Trump accomplished anything. Well will they? So far since he's become Prez that's been the overwhelming trend. Isn't that part of the reason why it's claimed that climate change is an immediate threat? Trends over time? I never said anything about Trump hating the left for what they deem as a accomplishment, I said it's a bold claim to say he doesn't care about the left. He cares about his daughter and she's known/seen as a liberal. 

It's as if I want fairness and equality, so often preached by the left. Yet the large majority of what's thrown at Trump is negative hate. Bashing the Prez for doing something stupid is one thing, but bashing him because of things such as his skin color, well, not sure how the left think the right will come to terms with them if they won't live by their own creed.

lol, still playing the Trump game.  Never said you stated Trump accomplished anything, I stated you are blaming everyone else for Trump's failure which is totally different.  You stated no matter what he would do, the left would find fault.  Children use that kind of logic when they do something wrong.  My son tried that on me when we asked him why he punched someone in school. He was like, no matter what I say you will not believe me.  I told him if he did not lie so much he wouldn't have that concern today.  He was looking for pity and I was clear there isn't any.  You live and die by your choices nothing is given in this world.

Left this right that, whatever.  There is no fairness on either side because each side only sees what they want to see.  As long as you only see left and right instead of people, you will always fall under the same trap.  You are so consumed about labels you forget that everyone no matter left or right actually share a lot of common ideals.  What separate each group is each group trying to put the other into a box so they can them paint them with a broad stroke.  As you rail against the left, you act no better than what you see or paint them to be.  



jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:

I'm not certain what the legality is in the state of New York for 501(3) organizations using allocated charity funds for bidding and rigging a private auction in favor of the organization itself.  Probably a lot of gray area there. 

But if not illegal, then the lies, the ego, the narcissism, the pure pettiness on display are testaments to his character.  If it were any other president, we'd be absolutely shocked....but here we are treating it like, "Oh, Trump...you silly rascal."

Did a quick google search and found out that they rigged it in a way that would not make it illegal. Meh its just a picture anyway.

Edit: It would be a felony if multiple parties were involved in the bidding but since they only hired one guy to do it for them it would not be considered one.

Yeah his character is for sure shady but we have had many shady Presidents in the past so it's really not anything new. 

Isn't that the problem.  Its not that we have had shady presidents in the pass, its the fact that people seem to accept this type of personality as the President as the norm.  Have we really gone so low now that we just treat this type of behavior as "Oh, Trump...you silly rascal." and actually think about reelecting such a person.

This is a certain type of self promotion and deception that goes beyond ego.  This is a person who tries to always self promote their image no matter how debase it is.  It gives a clear picture of why Trump continues to lie about everything.  This is the classic play book of a conman. 

When people use to say that Trump is for the people I use to laugh so hard.  Trump is and probably never will be for the people.  He will always be for Trump and everyone else plays a role to increase his image.  Trump lies as much as he does because he is always looking to control the narrative and perception of anything that revolves around him.  This is why he doesn't care when he lies about stuff he doesn't have to lie about.  It comes to a point where you have to ask your self, how stupid do Trump think you are.  



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

Did a quick google search and found out that they rigged it in a way that would not make it illegal. Meh its just a picture anyway.

Edit: It would be a felony if multiple parties were involved in the bidding but since they only hired one guy to do it for them it would not be considered one.

Yeah his character is for sure shady but we have had many shady Presidents in the past so it's really not anything new. 

Isn't that the problem.  Its not that we have had shady presidents in the pass, its the fact that people seem to accept this type of personality as the President as the norm.  Have we really gone so low now that we just treat this type of behavior as "Oh, Trump...you silly rascal." and actually think about reelecting such a person.

This is a certain type of self promotion and deception that goes beyond ego.  This is a person who tries to always self promote their image no matter how debase it is.  It gives a clear picture of why Trump continues to lie about everything.  This is the classic play book of a conman. 

When people use to say that Trump is for the people I use to laugh so hard.  Trump is and probably never will be for the people.  He will always be for Trump and everyone else plays a role to increase his image.  Trump lies as much as he does because he is always looking to control the narrative and perception of anything that revolves around him.  This is why he doesn't care when he lies about stuff he doesn't have to lie about.  It comes to a point where you have to ask your self, how stupid do Trump think you are.  

Yeah being shady is not cool but like if a President is atleast compentent when it comes to policies they get pass then I could care less about their personal stuff.

I feel that like every President is for the people in some kind of form. For example Trump did not have to be President since he is already rich and he isnt doing it for the money. He really gains nothing from it then being streesed all the time, and being in a history book.