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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
SpokenTruth said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Actually these pictures show a very tame protest compared to the ones you see in Europe,i do not know about the reality of these pics but they seem rather nice;)

I was in a protest one time and the crowd was full of people with big hammers, crowbars,bats,fireworks to burn out cars and trow into peoples houses,it was sickening because every shop or supermarket they walked by got looted and they even emptied cashregisters,burned cars,pulled police from motercycles to beat down.

And that is just a normal protest in Europe,like a warzone:p

Europe's riots are often focused against their governments.  Not people of a different race.  It's one thing to riot against a corrupt government but gathering for the sake of hate for other people is very different.

Further, you miss the symbolism of white men carrying torches in a town square with a history of lynching. Not much to be scared of when rioting against corruption but if you are black, Latino or Jewish, these people are literally rallying because they want you dead.

Immersiveunreality said:

White skincolour frightens them more than violence does.

All that focus on racism and they are afraid of white men peacefully protesting,meanwhile antifa behaves like a bunch of criminals in most of the places they appear but hey those arent all white so its fine:p

Antifa exists as a reaction to the far right.  The far right wants the eradication of people of color and those of Jewish faith.  Antifa functions to help prevent that eradication.  If the far right and their agenda did not exist, neither would Antifa.

Immersiveunreality said:

Those people did not do that, nice job villainizing everyone for the deeds of one individual.

Or 6 individuals.  Plus those that cheered and egged it on.

Bolded1: Yes both are extremists and both are bad, who is disagreeing with you?

Bolded 2: Even with that logic you can make anyone look bad,the left ,the right,center, up, down ;)



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I have lived in Tennessee (24 years), Texas (1 year) and Mississippi (10 years). Generally most citizens of all races view the Confederate flag as a piece of cloth not worth acknowledging unless asked. For example, I drove across north MS twice a day for 1 year and I saw 4 Confederate flags. As a reference point I saw more Coexist bumper stickers. Therefore, this large and dangerous white supremacist movement is largely a myth. Across the south they might number a thousand or two because even with an extremely aggressive online push for the Unite the Right rally they only managed to bring in 500. Unite the Right Rally is by far their most "successful" event in the last 20 years.

Antifa numbers around 20,000 and their most successful event is effectively shutting down Portland, Oregon.

I will let you decide who is today's greater threat between the two factions.

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Victorlink87 said:
Machiavellian said:

Not sure if you understand what I stated.  I stated the only way he can move funds allocated by Congress is by using the NEA.  What part of my post stated differently.  The problem is that there is no minimum time frame that the house has to wait to end a NAE.  They can immediately vote to end the NAE as soon as he declare it.  The Senate has 15 days to vote on ending the NAE and 60 votes votes is not required only majority.

Who cares if Trump is some evil nazi or whatever.  I just believe he is an idiot thats it.  He is an opportunist who cares only for himself.  He has lived a life of a con man and nothing has changed.  6 bankruptcies states he probably isn't someone I want running a business let alone the government.  From the countless failed business, his gut is something I definitely do not want making decisions that effect my life.

I do not want Dems or Republicans having total majority but I do like things moving and not getting stalled like they were under Obama.  I happen to have liked the 2 years given to the Dems when Obama first entered office and the 2 years with Trump and the GOP.  You really cannot get a good understanding for each party unless they can actually pass some bills.  In both instances we get to see how each party works and get or not get things done.

My assessment of the situation between Pelosi and Schumer is that they are playing the long game and Trump gave it to them with his obsession with the wall.  He put himself into a corner where and allowed the Dems to have s strong front against him forcing him into options that on the surface appear tempting but long term will cause havok for the GOP in the near term and futurew

It wasn't meant as a rebuttle, but I definitely phrased it in a way that can be read as such. Apologies. I Know the GOP would help block him as 70% of Americans do not want a wall. The Judicial Branch could even slow him. At this point he is standing on something that less than 30% want right now.

They are playing the long game. Trump, unless he builds a wall, could lose if the right Republican challenged him in the primary. Which is why I think he is in a mode of panic. He isn't an idiot, idiots dont manipulate the system like he has.

I see your point about the majorities. After seeing both I wish that we could just take the best of each party and abandon their worst and most over reaching policies. 

Sorry for beingso aggressive politics frustrates me because neither party follows the Constitution very well. Well, we haven't in 60+ years.

I will be honest the list of extreme left policies from Democrats being championed and some passed are quite concerning to me. I really do not want them to have a super majority until they are humbled a little bit. Trump has emboldened them because its all but certain he will ruin the GOP's credibility.

The RNC is blocking anyone from the party from challenging Trump in 2020 so unless a Republican goes independent, I doubt we will see any run against him unless he totally screw up.

I give Trump credit for basic con man smarts and knowing how to use people but the intelligence to operate the Executive branch I am not seeing it. From his intelligence Cheifs coming out and basically saying he doesn't know what he is talking about.  To people within his administration stating how they cannot get him to pay attention for more than 10 mins even using visual aids, graphs, 2 sentences and repeating his name and title multiple times.  Every report we get we continue to hear how people struggle to get him to even pay attention on complex issues and instead have to rely on his gut.  Stuff like that should really frighten people.  He sounds like Regan in his last years in office.

I do agree that Trump making Pelosi and Schumer look like chess masters is something I would not look to as being a great signs of things to come.  



Machiavellian said:
Victorlink87 said:

It wasn't meant as a rebuttle, but I definitely phrased it in a way that can be read as such. Apologies. I Know the GOP would help block him as 70% of Americans do not want a wall. The Judicial Branch could even slow him. At this point he is standing on something that less than 30% want right now.

They are playing the long game. Trump, unless he builds a wall, could lose if the right Republican challenged him in the primary. Which is why I think he is in a mode of panic. He isn't an idiot, idiots dont manipulate the system like he has.

I see your point about the majorities. After seeing both I wish that we could just take the best of each party and abandon their worst and most over reaching policies. 

Sorry for beingso aggressive politics frustrates me because neither party follows the Constitution very well. Well, we haven't in 60+ years.

I will be honest the list of extreme left policies from Democrats being championed and some passed are quite concerning to me. I really do not want them to have a super majority until they are humbled a little bit. Trump has emboldened them because its all but certain he will ruin the GOP's credibility.

The RNC is blocking anyone from the party from challenging Trump in 2020 so unless a Republican goes independent, I doubt we will see any run against him unless he totally screw up.

I give Trump credit for basic con man smarts and knowing how to use people but the intelligence to operate the Executive branch I am not seeing it. From his intelligence Cheifs coming out and basically saying he doesn't know what he is talking about.  To people within his administration stating how they cannot get him to pay attention for more than 10 mins even using visual aids, graphs, 2 sentences and repeating his name and title multiple times.  Every report we get we continue to hear how people struggle to get him to even pay attention on complex issues and instead have to rely on his gut.  Stuff like that should really frighten people.  He sounds like Regan in his last years in office.

I do agree that Trump making Pelosi and Schumer look like chess masters is something I would not look to as being a great signs of things to come.  

I think if the right person ran as a Republican and built up enough steam the RNC would allow it. (Ben Shapiro comes to mind, but we all know he will not be entering this next election)

Second point: Which is weird. The best thing about his first 6 months were that many of his advisors were good at what they do and varied on opinion. So, why in the last 9 months or so has he abandoned their thought? Ex: Mad Dog Mattis, when he quit due to pulling out of Syria (I am sure other things too), I knew things had gotten bad. I mean that General doesn't quit. One sincerely has to wonder if Trump suffers from a paranoia of some kind.

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Immersiveunreality said:
collint0101 said:

Acts of non violence are not always inherently better than acts of violence. A "peaceful" white supremacist rally may not directly create violence but they are advocating for a system or society that would legalize violence or oppression with the threat of violence. A symbol does not hurt anyone but that doesn't change the fact that people have been hurt by the forces that symbol represents. 

For me as long as a group is not submitting to violence there is a possibility for discussion to be had and the hope some change minds or start having conflicting feelings about what drives them, if those same people keep secret meetings we wont be able to know their motivations or have a chance at discussion so it is inherently not such a bad thing they are at some protests in a passive way.

People behind that symbol has caused some of my forefathers to go to camps but these days it is stripped of its power and marginalized,at most it does offend yes.

Some people aren't worth talking to and even then that's assuming that they're willing to talk. We're talking about people that want the mass elimination of people they deem racially inferior, if someone is gone far enough into irrationality to think that's a good idea they're immune to rational discource. 



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collint0101 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

For me as long as a group is not submitting to violence there is a possibility for discussion to be had and the hope some change minds or start having conflicting feelings about what drives them, if those same people keep secret meetings we wont be able to know their motivations or have a chance at discussion so it is inherently not such a bad thing they are at some protests in a passive way.

People behind that symbol has caused some of my forefathers to go to camps but these days it is stripped of its power and marginalized,at most it does offend yes.

Some people aren't worth talking to and even then that's assuming that they're willing to talk. We're talking about people that want the mass elimination of people they deem racially inferior, if someone is gone far enough into irrationality to think that's a good idea they're immune to rational discource. 

Everyone is worth talking to but the format is important.

bad formats for a talk with Neo-nazis/ alt-right activist:
- TV debates
- TV interviews
- etc.

good formats for a talk with Neo-nazis/ alt-right activist:
- together with former Neo-nazis
- together with a deradicalisation expert
- in extreme cases a psychiatrist



MrWayne said:
collint0101 said:

Some people aren't worth talking to and even then that's assuming that they're willing to talk. We're talking about people that want the mass elimination of people they deem racially inferior, if someone is gone far enough into irrationality to think that's a good idea they're immune to rational discource. 

Everyone is worth talking to but the format is important.

bad formats for a talk with Neo-nazis/ alt-right activist:
- TV debates
- TV interviews
- etc.

good formats for a talk with Neo-nazis/ alt-right activist:
- together with former Neo-nazis
- together with a deradicalisation expert
- in extreme cases a psychiatrist

If you have to call a psychiatrist or a deradicalisation expert that just show how far gone they are. I'm not qualified to deal with that level of crazy. People that disagree with me are 1 thing but people that actively rally for my death or enslavement is a totally different conversation



SpokenTruth said:
Victorlink87 said:

I have lived in Tennessee (24 years), Texas (1 year) and Mississippi (10 years). Generally most citizens of all races view the Confederate flag as a piece of cloth not worth acknowledging unless asked. For example, I drove across north MS twice a day for 1 year and I saw 4 Confederate flags. As a reference point I saw more Coexist bumper stickers.

Nobody here is going to believe that lie.

Haha. It isn't a lie. The Confederate flag is rare in North MS, Dallas, and Central and West TN.  I invite you to visit us. I could drive you down Highway 72 everyday for a year and you will see 1 Confederate flag at someone's house, but thats about it. I could drive you down Highway 55 for a year and you might see 4 flags. I know this from personal experience, sorry that I didn't video tape my every move so that I could calm the unprecedented paranoia around white supremacists. They are a marginalized group, even in the deep south.

The numbers on white supremacists are estimates based on their Unite the Right Rally because they pumped a huge amount of income, time, social media, etc into it and only an estimated 500 showed up.

As for Antifa, thats based on countless news reports and numbers consistent with both sides of the aisle.



I liked his State of the Union speech.



jason1637 said:
I liked his State of the Union speech.

It was nice, a really fluffy, feel good, non controversial speech. But fluffy and feel good doesn't erase my actual issues with the way he handles his job. Yeah unity and WWII vets are nice but he still sold weapons to Saudi Arabia, denies climate change and the government is probably going to shut down again in 2 weeks