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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

Out of all the people you use to support your claim, its the one person who has no reason to ever tell the Truth.  From the start, the Dems has stated they will not negotiate opening the government on the threat of Trump 5.6 Billion demand.  Nothing has changed and they continue to state the same thing.  They are rightfully tired of playing games where Trump believe he has leverage just because he demands it.  He had it very easy for a president for 2 years without having to even come close to making any deals with the Dems.  He could blame them for everything, demean them and have his way because the GOP had majority.  Now the party is over and he has to do his job but instead he is in this same bubble where he believe he demands something and people jump.  Well, we will see how the great negotiator actually negotiate because this will show what type of president he is.  If he continue to play the same game as he has before, his failure will be spectacular.  He can continue to listen to right wing media who have no skin in the game make decisions for him as he forgets America is more than just his constitutes.

 

He was there so he is a reliable source. Mike Pence and other people who were there backed this up.

Maybe you have an opinion about the President that I do not share.  Since a lot of people in Trump administration has lied for him countless times, why would anyone believe Trump or Pence.  Can you give me an honest reason why after all the lies we have gone through with this administration why would anyone take their word on anything.

Torillian said:

When you are negotiating with someone and negotiations have broken down if you come back with the exact same fucking offer as every other time you've talked about it you cannot magically expect that they will change their response. This is not a failure on the other party, this is a failure on you to move the negotiations forward. 

The negotiations are going both ways. The only one i see trying to negotiate is Trump. Democrats need to be willing to cut a deal put something forward so the government can re open.

Maybe if Trump wanted his wall, he probably should have not blackmailed the government to get his way.  Once he turned it into a hostage situation, all negotiations were off the table.  Now if he wants to come to the table, he has to let the hostage free first because why would anyone negotiate under those situations.  If you give in, then you have to go through it all over again for the next demand where he waits until its budget time again instead of working on a solution before we get to this point.  When has it ever been effective to give in when someone tries to force your hand.

The only reason you only see Trump negotiating is because that is all you want to see.  When Trump stated he will shutdown the government for his demand and he would not budge from his 5.6 Billion, he put himself into a corner.  He made a stupid comment trying to grandstand in front of the cameras not knowing how dumb it was to make that statement.  It was like a gift to the Dems and they will hold his feet to the fire for being an idiot.



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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

I believe you are missinformed.  Trump is not Congress boss.  They have equal stake in our government.  Next, the Dems do not Trust Trump.  We have been over this more than once.  Trump words is garbage.  They already tried to negotiate with Trump when they offered him 25 Billion for his wall but he let right wing media control him and his decision.  When he was going to sign the 1.6 Billion for the wall his administration asked for he backed out because right wing media had a hissy fit.  He has walked back multiple decisions when it doesn't please right wing media.  So why go down that road again and get played. 

As always you guys totally just dismiss Trump behavior for 2 years and believe everyone else doesn't have a memory.  If he want his wall, his first step will be to stop holding the government hostage everytime he doesn't get his demand. We are on our 3rd shutdown, its time to move on from that game.   First get the government going them actually do a proper negotiation with bipartisan support.  Will he get everything he wants, probably not but then again its not like he is willing to give anything so we will see.  

I wonder why the Reps are helping to hold things up? It's not because Trump is in charge, that's for sure. Power is distributed across the branches yes. They offered him 25 bil free and clear, no catch, and he denied it, but now only wants 5 bil? Sounds legit... I'm sure the media didn't accidentally forget to tell the entire story.

You really think when Trump put's the Gov and it's workers in 'such jeopardy', and the Dems still won't budge, even though they care so much about this particular issue, that if Trump backs off and re-opens operations, that the Dems will happily play nice? Give a Dem 25% and they'll start asking for 70%. Don't people remember and learn?

Have you been paying attention.  Its not the Reps helping to hold things up, its just McConnell.  You know, that guy who will not put any bills on the Senate floor because he is afraid to anger Trump base and put any GOP who might be coming up for reelection in 2020 in jeopardy.  You have one person scared for his political life doing nothing because he doesn't want to see a 2/3rd vote send Trump veto to hell.

We know the entire story about the 25 Billion dreamer package and we also remember when right wing media denounced it when Trump was considering the offer. 

In a hostage situation you care about the hostages but does that mean you give in to the demands.  Why do you believe we have a policy to not negotiate with Terrorist in such situations.  If you give in to one demand, then they will continue to repeat the same thing.  The first step is for Trump to realize that waiting until budget time to make demands without giving anything in return is over.  The Dems will not play that game and he will have to do his job if he wants anything.  He played this scenario 3 times, at some point people stop falling for it.  You can continue to absolve Trump of anything but as he stated he will own this shutdown and its up to him to end it.



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

 

He was there so he is a reliable source. Mike Pence and other people who were there backed this up.

Maybe you have an opinion about the President that I do not share.  Since a lot of people in Trump administration has lied for him countless times, why would anyone believe Trump or Pence.  Can you give me an honest reason why after all the lies we have gone through with this administration why would anyone take their word on anything.

The negotiations are going both ways. The only one i see trying to negotiate is Trump. Democrats need to be willing to cut a deal put something forward so the government can re open.

Maybe if Trump wanted his wall, he probably should have not blackmailed the government to get his way.  Once he turned it into a hostage situation, all negotiations were off the table.  Now if he wants to come to the table, he has to let the hostage free first because why would anyone negotiate under those situations.  If you give in, then you have to go through it all over again for the next demand where he waits until its budget time again instead of working on a solution before we get to this point.  When has it ever been effective to give in when someone tries to force your hand.

The only reason you only see Trump negotiating is because that is all you want to see.  When Trump stated he will shutdown the government for his demand and he would not budge from his 5.6 Billion, he put himself into a corner.  He made a stupid comment trying to grandstand in front of the cameras not knowing how dumb it was to make that statement.  It was like a gift to the Dems and they will hold his feet to the fire for being an idiot.

This is not uncommon though. Past Presidents have used their veto to shutdown the government to get their way.



jason1637 said:
Torillian said:

Trump's questions was not "are we going to discuss it" it was "are you going to do it?" that's not the same thing. 

If they have no intention to consider building a wall they won't discuss it.

They refuse to negociate with a gun against their heads.
Basically Trump has to start the government back up, before their even willing to meet and try talk about tit for tat.

If trump wanted the wall, he would start things back up, and be ready to concede alot, to get his wall.
Instead of trying to force the issue, which the other said have already said, they wont bend to.

 

jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

This is not uncommon though. Past Presidents have used their veto to shutdown the government to get their way.

And doesnt this backfire more often that not?
its not really a solid strategy.

Trump tested the waters, hes now had the longest goverment shutdown ever in US history, and he is no closer to getting his wall.

 

 

Dont take my word for it?  Here is a Harvard professor in public policy:

“Shutdowns don’t work. I mean, they work to the extent that cutting off your arm helps you lose weight if you’re on a diet,” says Linda Bilmes, a public policy professor at Harvard’s Kennedy School and a leading expert on budgetary issues. “Shutdowns create far more problems than they solve for both sides, regardless of who is the short-term winner.”

She does point out that it has worked before, but it usally doesnt.
This is not a winner's tactics, this is a "im desperate" move, that will likely fail. 

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Locknuts said:
With all these FBI and media investigations and turning up nothing, Donald Trump must be one of the cleanest people in history. I like him more and more each day now.

He does not communicate like a president should but i dont think he is such a bad person and the almost religious left or right wing hyperbole will not likely change that,this thread is full of it.



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JRPGfan said:
jason1637 said:

If they have no intention to consider building a wall they won't discuss it.

They refuse to negociate with a gun against their heads.
Basically Trump has to start the government back up, before their even willing to meet and try talk about tit for tat.

If trump wanted the wall, he would start things back up, and be ready to concede alot, to get his wall.
Instead of trying to force the issue, which the other said have already said, they wont bend to.

 

jason1637 said:

This is not uncommon though. Past Presidents have used their veto to shutdown the government to get their way.

And doesnt this backfire more often that not?
its not really a solid strategy.

Trump tested the waters, hes now had the longest goverment shutdown ever in US history, and he is no closer to getting his wall.

 

 

Dont take my word for it?  Here is a Harvard professor in public policy:

“Shutdowns don’t work. I mean, they work to the extent that cutting off your arm helps you lose weight if you’re on a diet,” says Linda Bilmes, a public policy professor at Harvard’s Kennedy School and a leading expert on budgetary issues. “Shutdowns create far more problems than they solve for both sides, regardless of who is the short-term winner.”

She does point out that it has worked before, but it usally doesnt.
This is not a winner's tactics, this is a "im desperate" move, that will likely fail. 

No, this strategy worked during the Obama and Clinton admin because Republicans were willing to work to cut a deal. 



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74XbeLjnGLQ&feature=youtu.be

The last 3 Presidents have approved of a border barrier on the southern border and it has led to less people coming but when Trump wan't it he is xenophobic.



jason1637 said:
Machiavellian said:

Maybe if Trump wanted his wall, he probably should have not blackmailed the government to get his way.  Once he turned it into a hostage situation, all negotiations were off the table.  Now if he wants to come to the table, he has to let the hostage free first because why would anyone negotiate under those situations.  If you give in, then you have to go through it all over again for the next demand where he waits until its budget time again instead of working on a solution before we get to this point.  When has it ever been effective to give in when someone tries to force your hand.

The only reason you only see Trump negotiating is because that is all you want to see.  When Trump stated he will shutdown the government for his demand and he would not budge from his 5.6 Billion, he put himself into a corner.  He made a stupid comment trying to grandstand in front of the cameras not knowing how dumb it was to make that statement.  It was like a gift to the Dems and they will hold his feet to the fire for being an idiot.

This is not uncommon though. Past Presidents have used their veto to shutdown the government to get their way.

How many Presidents have 3 in just 2 years.  Yes, presidents do use their veto but at some point, doing it every single time will lose its net effect and then you get nothing.  As with any power move, timing is everything.  So now in our third shutdown, the game is changed.  No one is dealing until that option is off the table.  We never should have gotten to this point with a made up crisis at the border when this whole thing could have been negotiated properly.  If the border was so important, he should have been dealing when he came into office with majority rule not wait until Dems get the house before we find ourselves in this garbage. Trump wanted a shutdown, he has stated it many times and now he has his shutdown.  



Immersiveunreality said:
Locknuts said:
With all these FBI and media investigations and turning up nothing, Beloved Leader must be one of the cleanest people in history. I like him more and more each day now.

i dont think he is such a bad person

Good people don’t accumulate 1500 independently confirmed reports of corruption in three years.  Even Batman villains have difficulty doing that.

But Beloved Leader is just getting started.



SuaveSocialist said:
Immersiveunreality said:

i dont think he is such a bad person

Good people don’t accumulate 1500 independently confirmed reports of corruption in three years.  Even Batman villains have difficulty doing that.

But Beloved Leader is just getting started.

You quoted two comments and manipulated those same two comments.

If that says anything about how you deal with information then i might be tempted to distrust whatever "facts" you bring to the table and most good people are not getting caught up as president in a masshysteria of this magnitude.

There have been countless reports of corruption from previous presidents administrations too but you will most likely label that as right wing propaganda and maybe put some Russia in it .

Last edited by Immersiveunreality - on 21 January 2019