1. But they do. Governments waste money every freakin day. And the wall as a “waste” is subjective at best. Voters want it, so the government should do it. The efficient spending argument is a disingenuous reasoning and you know it. The most intelligent approach is to go via the route that fulfills the will of the ppl, because that is what democracy is supposed to be.

2. I’m not angry at anyone. I am presenting logic where all sides win because that is the intelligent thing to do.

3. And I’m saying THAT is the waste of money and THAT is actually a better position to go against. Crying over the wall thing is just silly especially since it can be leveraged to do good on both sides.

4. Yes, and the same waste happens in all governments led by just about all politicians. Wasteful spending is not a new thing or exclusive to Trump so you might want to maybe set aside your hate and HOPE for solutions that help the most ppl instead of just acting out of spite. And I am not “advocating the wall”, if you read my post a little carefully you might know that I am advocating leveraging the wall in order to get things like affordable health care for all or streamlining the immigration process.

5. I don’t think “it’s a few idiots”. Trump WON the presidency with the wall as one of his campaign commitments. It doesn’t matter what you think the smart thing to do is (because apparently, you yourself are acting less on logic and just simply lashing out if your posts are anything to go by).

FYI, I’m not with “them guys”. As I am not a Trump supporter.

This is the problem with partisan politics and those who are too invested in it. You can no longer see the nuances in arguments anymore. The second you feel that it leans on the other side, you assume that it’s balls in 100% with your enemy and you just go full attack mode. Dial down the anger a notch.

And to answer your question “Why aren’t you guys willing to give?”: Looks like you missed my point entirely. This is a HUGE opportunity for the Dems to get some of the most important legislation through a Republican controlled Executive Branch and Senate. If they were willing to compromise on a 6B wall (a pittance IMO), they can basically demand almost anything they want and if the Repubs refuse they look like complete assholes. The ball is in their court and my concern was that they are letting a golden opportunity pass them by because they refuse to let the “other side win”? FYI, I felt the same way when the Repubs were going full obstructionist with Obamacare.

Trump can still have his wall.  The Dems are not rejecting his wall, what they are rejecting is funding the wall as a means to open the government.  They have stated that opening the government should not be part of border security and it should be a separate issue.  As far as the Dems see it, we have had 3 shutdowns in Trump presidency.  We continue to go through this with him every time he demands something without doing any work.  The Dems are tired of this tactic and probably will not budge unless he is willing to give up something significant.  The Dems has tried to worked with Trump and each time when right wing media went against what he said he would do, he has doublebacked.  I am sure there is no trust that he will ever agree to anything as long as right wing media continue to pull his strings.

They are rejecting the wall all together. They said they won't negociate the wall after the shutdown.

I believe you and I are reading totally different reports.  

Can you find a source for this claim because I have seen multiple source state differently.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/democrats-reopen-the-government-before-negotiations-on-border-security

https://kbzk.com/cnn-us-politics/2019/01/20/democrats-reiterate-demand-reopen-the-government-before-negotiations-on-border-security/

You do not make deals with someone who only makes demands.  You do not make deals with someone who has shutdown the government every time he could not get his way.  We are hear today because Trump only makes demands not deals.  He waited right before it was time to fund the government to make his demand.  At no point during his 2 years of presidency did he reach out to the Dems.  Actually in his 2 years of presidency the only thing Trump has done is criticize, demean, call names, blame Dems for anything and everything and reject the only big offer they gave him.  Even today he continues to negotiate by name calling and blaming.  I am not sure why the Dems would ever budge when the only thing he can do is play the blame game.  After 2 years and the flip of the house, now he needs the Dems.  He should have thought o that a long time ago.

Just left a meeting with Chuck and Nancy, a total waste of time. I asked what is going to happen in 30 days if I quickly open things up, are you going to approve Border Security which includes a Wall or Steel Barrier? Nancy said, NO. I said bye-bye, nothing else works!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 9, 2019

Trump's questions was not "are we going to discuss it" it was "are you going to do it?" that's not the same thing. 

If they have no intention to consider building a wall they won't discuss it.

And if Trump walks into a room and says "hey are you going to give me the wall if I let the government start up again" he isn't discussing it either. How is he trying to start a discussion if all he does is make the same demand he's been making for weeks without any counter offer? "Hey, if I allow DACA recipients to stay permanently will you approve the wall funding" simple as that.