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zorg1000 said:
Kerotan said:

Of course you are because you can't deny the point so instead of acknowledging the legitimacy of my point you storm off. 

Your point is 100% absolutely irrelevant to our discussion which was ONLY about hardware sales. We were never talking about profit at any single point so throwing that in  just so you dont have to admit that PS4 sales in Japan are not amazing is by definition changing goalposts.

You have used developer support, XBO/Wii U sales & now profits to try and make it seem like PS4 is doing great in Japan. Its not, its doing mediocre at best, just admit it and move on.

My official stance on the matter. 

 

Ps4 sales are amazing when you consider all other traditional home consoles bombed and that ps4 is makingvsomy a big profit. 

 

Ps4 sales are decent when compared to ps3 sales last gen. 

 

So depending on the criteria my answer is either amazing or decent. Don't take these facts out of context.



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Kerotan said:
zorg1000 said:

Your point is 100% absolutely irrelevant to our discussion which was ONLY about hardware sales. We were never talking about profit at any single point so throwing that in  just so you dont have to admit that PS4 sales in Japan are not amazing is by definition changing goalposts.

You have used developer support, XBO/Wii U sales & now profits to try and make it seem like PS4 is doing great in Japan. Its not, its doing mediocre at best, just admit it and move on.

My official stance on the matter. 

 

Ps4 sales are amazing when you consider all other traditional home consoles bombed and that ps4 is makingvsomy a big profit. 

 

Ps4 sales are decent when compared to ps3 sales last gen. 

 

So depending on the criteria my answer is either amazing or decent. Don't take these facts out of context.

But like i already said doing better than devices that did terrible does not make it amazing. That is a terrible way of looking at things. A convict serving 5 years isnt doing amazing just because hes not serving a life sentance or on death row.

By the way, we have no idea how profitable PS4 is in Japan itself, we know PS4 overall is very profitable due to selling a shit load of hardware, software, accessories & subscriptions globally but to my knowledge they do not break down profit per region.

By no metric is PS4 doing amazing in Japan, its just not and nothing will change that. Okay, mediocre, average, decent, good.....those are all acceptable ways to describe PS4 performance in Japan.



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zorg1000 said:
Kerotan said:

My official stance on the matter. 

 

Ps4 sales are amazing when you consider all other traditional home consoles bombed and that ps4 is makingvsomy a big profit. 

 

Ps4 sales are decent when compared to ps3 sales last gen. 

 

So depending on the criteria my answer is either amazing or decent. Don't take these facts out of context.

But like i already said doing better than devices that did terrible does not make it amazing. That is a terrible way of looking at things. A convict serving 5 years isnt doing amazing just because hes not serving a life sentance or on death row.

By the way, we have no idea how profitable PS4 is in Japan itself, we know PS4 overall is very profitable due to selling a shit load of hardware, software, accessories & subscriptions globally but to my knowledge they do not break down profit per region.

By no metric is PS4 doing amazing in Japan, its just not and nothing will change that. Okay, mediocre, average, decent, good.....those are all acceptable ways to describe PS4 performance in Japan.

By no metric? How about by it's predecessor? The ps3 is a metric. It's doing decent by beating that. It's doing amazing if you focus on profits compared to ps3. 

 

How about another metric. Rival home consoles this gen. Wii u is already dead. Xb1 dead on arrival. It's doing amazing by that metric.



Kerotan said:
zorg1000 said:

But like i already said doing better than devices that did terrible does not make it amazing. That is a terrible way of looking at things. A convict serving 5 years isnt doing amazing just because hes not serving a life sentance or on death row.

By the way, we have no idea how profitable PS4 is in Japan itself, we know PS4 overall is very profitable due to selling a shit load of hardware, software, accessories & subscriptions globally but to my knowledge they do not break down profit per region.

By no metric is PS4 doing amazing in Japan, its just not and nothing will change that. Okay, mediocre, average, decent, good.....those are all acceptable ways to describe PS4 performance in Japan.

By no metric? How about by it's predecessor? The ps3 is a metric. It's doing decent by beating that. It's doing amazing if you focus on profits compared to ps3. 

 

How about another metric. Rival home consoles this gen. Wii u is already dead. Xb1 dead on arrival. It's doing amazing by that metric.

I take it you didnt read the first two paragraphs since everything you wrote is addressed there.

PS3 profits were shit and XBO/Wii U sales are shit, doing better than them does not mean amazing.

Do even know what the word amazing means?



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zorg1000 said:
Kerotan said:

By no metric? How about by it's predecessor? The ps3 is a metric. It's doing decent by beating that. It's doing amazing if you focus on profits compared to ps3. 

 

How about another metric. Rival home consoles this gen. Wii u is already dead. Xb1 dead on arrival. It's doing amazing by that metric.

I take it you didnt read the first two paragraphs since everything you wrote is addressed there.

PS3 profits were shit and XBO/Wii U sales are shit, doing better than them does not mean amazing.

Do even know what the word amazing means?

It's doing amazing relative to that metric. Do you know what metric or relative means?



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Kerotan said:
zorg1000 said:

I take it you didnt read the first two paragraphs since everything you wrote is addressed there.

PS3 profits were shit and XBO/Wii U sales are shit, doing better than them does not mean amazing.

Do even know what the word amazing means?

It's doing amazing relative to that metric. Do you know what metric or relative means?

But its not.

Amazing-cause great surprise; startingly impressive

It is not surprising nor impressive to sell better than two very poorly performing consoles or to be more profitable than a console that created huge losses.

 

By definition PS4 is not doing amazing in Japan. Can we end this now?



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Baddman said:
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zorg1000 said:
Kerotan said:

It's doing amazing relative to that metric. Do you know what metric or relative means?

But its not.

Amazing-cause great surprise; startingly impressive

It is not surprising nor impressive to sell better than two very poorly performing consoles or to be more profitable than a console that created huge losses.

 

By definition PS4 is not doing amazing in Japan. Can we end this now?

It actually is surprising. Nobody gavecps4 a chance of bearing ps3 in Japan after it's slow start. People were saying 5 or 6 million max. The fact it's beating ps3 is a great surprise and that's amazing.



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