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Forums - Sales - Japan sales (Week 47): Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - November 20-26, 2017

Miyamotoo on 30 November 2017
Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Don't need to spread your sentences.

167k i around 150k. Yes, you belive, but again its big question if PS4 this year will be YOY over last year, beacuse few weeks now PS4 sales are indetical and around 25k, and for next 2 weeks PS4 last year sold 210k. Like I wrote, I am not ignoring facts, but point is that last few weeks now PS4 sales in Japan are identical and we are getting closer to Holiday season in Japan, usualy when you closer to holiday season sales start to go up.

Well they are definatly not amazing, he wrote "Globally PS4 is doing amazing" and you wrote that applies to Japan also, and fact is that PS4 is far from doing amazing in Japan with this sales. After 11 months on market in Japan sold only 1.5m and its big question if will be YOY over last year. There is nothing amazing about PS4 sales in Japan, you are only person who think like that.

I said the sales are relevant and very important for Sony. I also outlined why. You do whatvyiu do best though and ignore facts you don't want to see.

167k is also around 185k so why not use some made up higher number. Kets stuck with facts instead of made up numbers that suit your argument.  

You're also still ignoring the fact ps4 had ps4 slim, price cut and pro last q4 with a major release in FFXV coming in November. That's why sales were higher. Not because of holidays. 

Traditionally ps3/4 didn't get their holiday bumps until a bit into December. Not November.  

Now I imagine you'll ignore these undeniable facts again so if you do I'm going to ignore anything else unrelated to these until you address this valid point. 

You can't find from facts forever my friend:)

I dont think that Japan is too releveant or very importan for Sony, PS4 sales evrewhere outside Japan are amazing and Sony know that Switch will own Japan in any case, so I think they are not wory at all. 

When people talk about sales numbers they usually saying around 50k, 100k, 150k, 200k...sales not around 185k, and 167k is closer to 150k than to 200k in any case and thats why I said around 150k. Dont pretend that you dont know that.

Again, I don't ignoring those facts, but you ignoring fact that last few weeks PS4 sales are identical and we are closer and closer to Holiday season in Japan.

Even PS3/PS4 start getting higher numbers when we are closer to holiday season in Japan, second half of November and December.

You relly need to know what fact means, you are using it too often and on wrong way. ;)

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Kai_Mao on 30 November 2017
Lawlight said:
Kerotan said:

Ps4 has potential to sell 10m in Japan. That's extremely relevant. 50m-80m software sales at retail and millions more digital both full price and on sale. Then you have all that ps plus revenue. 

 

Another factor is all the Japanese games ps4 gets that end up selling well in the west. Many of them exclusive and many console exclusive. 

 

Don't get me wrong, Japan has declined but it's still very relevant to Sony. Yes you can argue they don't need it WW because they'd dominate regardless but no way would they want to lose their current sales in Japan.

I think the Japanese devs would still be there but, as they are doing now, they’ll focus on the west.

If Sony cared as much for Japan as they did for the west, they would have set up a Japanese video game making studio a while back.

So is Japan Studio no longer a thing?



SuperNova on 30 November 2017
Megiddo said:

.The same is not true for Sony in japan. They were extemely successful with the ps1, ps2 and psp in japan and lost a significant amount of their market share there. some of it is probably down to a shrinking market in japan, but the Switch shows that consoles can still succeed and do very well in japan.

The Switch shows that a portable gaming system which has a video output that can hook up to a TV can sell in Japan. Did we really not know that a portable Nintendo system could sell in Japan?

At a home console pricepoint? No. In fact we have precedence for the fact that it wont do well.

The 3DS did horribly at 50$ less than the Switch in japan and it took a healthy pricecut to even make it viable. That's why you trying your hardest to avoid the word 'hybrid' in order to downplay the Switches home console capabilities, doesn't do anything at all to make the Switches sales less impressive.



Lawlight on 30 November 2017
Kai_Mao said:
Lawlight said:

I think the Japanese devs would still be there but, as they are doing now, they’ll focus on the west.

If Sony cared as much for Japan as they did for the west, they would have set up a Japanese video game making studio a while back.

So is Japan Studio no longer a thing?

It is a thing - they just don’t do much for the Japanese audience.



Replicant on 30 November 2017
Lawlight said:
Kai_Mao said:

So is Japan Studio no longer a thing?

It is a thing - they just don’t do much for the Japanese audience.

I'd say that SIE Japan Studio has improved as they haven't released anything but good games since the Vita came out (see below) but I still hope for a new Ape Escape and The Legend of Dragoon.

 

Bloodborne (collaboration)
Everybody's Golf (2017)
Freedom Wars
Gravity Rush (+ Remastered)
Gravity Rush 2
Knack
Knack II
Oreshika: Tainted Bloodlines (collaboration)
Puppeteer
Rain (collaboration)
Shadow of the Colossus Remake (collaboration)
Soul Sacrifice (collaboration)
Soul Sacrifice Delta (collaboration)
The Last Guardian
The Playroom (+ VR)
The Tomorrow Children (collaboration)
Tokyo Jungle (collaboration)



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Kerotan on 30 November 2017
Lawlight said:
Jranation said:

Can you also say that handhelds are dying and irrelevant outside of Japan?

Yes, I can also say that because facts point to that. Look at the 3DS - in the US it sold about half of what any other Nintendo handheld did before it. In Europe, it sold less than any other handheld except the Vita. The Vita itself, well you know how that ended. Globally the 3DS probably won’t even reach the PSP numbers. And all is despite releasing 1 revision each year and the Pokemon fad prolonging the 3DS life. It also came out at a time where only 1 in 3 adult owned a smartphone, let alone the kids.

When you think about it traditional dedicated handhelds are now dead. Sony left the market and now Nintendo make hybrids. Those days are over. It's now a market of hybrids and traditional home consoles. 

Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

I said the sales are relevant and very important for Sony. I also outlined why. You do whatvyiu do best though and ignore facts you don't want to see.

167k is also around 185k so why not use some made up higher number. Kets stuck with facts instead of made up numbers that suit your argument.  

You're also still ignoring the fact ps4 had ps4 slim, price cut and pro last q4 with a major release in FFXV coming in November. That's why sales were higher. Not because of holidays. 

Traditionally ps3/4 didn't get their holiday bumps until a bit into December. Not November.  

Now I imagine you'll ignore these undeniable facts again so if you do I'm going to ignore anything else unrelated to these until you address this valid point. 

You can't find from facts forever my friend:)

I dont think that Japan is too releveant or very importan for Sony, PS4 sales evrewhere outside Japan are amazing and Sony know that Switch will own Japan in any case, so I think they are not wory at all. 

When people talk about sales numbers they usually saying around 50k, 100k, 150k, 200k...sales not around 185k, and 167k is closer to 150k than to 200k in any case and thats why I said around 150k. Dont pretend that you dont know that.

Again, I don't ignoring those facts, but you ignoring fact that last few weeks PS4 sales are identical and we are closer and closer to Holiday season in Japan.

Even PS3/PS4 start getting higher numbers when we are closer to holiday season in Japan, second half of November and December.

You relly need to know what fact means, you are using it too often and on wrong way. ;)

Japan sales are relevant and are important. 

 

You'd not dare say ps4 sales in the UK are not very good or not relevant. Well guess what? In Japan ps4 has sold a million more then the UK. Check mate. The only country that has sold more ps4's then Japan is the US. And remember Japan even got the console later. Yet it's still #2. That right there kills your silly little argument.

 

The number is 167k. You know it so stop hiding from that fact. It's also 230k on famitsu.  Looks like according to at least 1 tracker I'll be right but I expect it to be on both. 

 

And finally , once again you ignore the facts. Keep avoiding the ps4 pro, slim, price cut and FFXV Q4 issue. You know It, I know it. You're just too embarrassed to even address this point. 



Mbolibombo on 30 November 2017

This thread is something else..



sethnintendo on 30 November 2017
Kjartan said:

Also glad to see Animal Crossing getting a boost thanks to the mobile game (not that the game needed it lol).

Game needs it.  It will surpass Wild World.



xl-klaudkil on 30 November 2017

Wow all the hate against ps4 and the trying to downplay the absolutely amazing switch sales!

Noo switch wont grab games away from ps4.
Noo ps4 wont go away.
And yes switch will destroy all competition in japan, rhe hybrid feature is just perfect



 

My youtube gaming page.

http://www.youtube.com/user/klaudkil

Kerotan on 30 November 2017

I created a separated thread to discuss whether or not Japan is relevant or important to Sony. So we don't have to drag this off topic anymore.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=233245