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o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

Socialists want a decentralized system, with the workers' controlling it. As it is, capitalism is centralized with a board of members and CEOs and a very strict, rigid structure that has a few people decide the course of events.

 

" The aim of socialism is worker's control over the means of production."

"Socialists want a decentralized system"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI

 

ok seriously, when the means of production are taken over by the workers.... don't the workers have to come to some type of middle group about how things will work? do you not understand that what i just described is a centralised government?

 

" capitalism is centralized"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI

 

"As it is, capitalism is centralized with a board of members and CEOs and a very strict, rigid structure that has a few people decide the course of events."

if i start a business and i do well, that's capitalism right?  how is me starting my own business in any way centralised? explain that to me

 

seriously you have to tell me who is teaching these ideas? is this coming from your school or something? i seriously want to know

Ah, so I see you've resorted to using memes. It is decentralized in that it is a democratic process decided by multiple people, unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands. And no, this is not coming from school, schools don't want to promote socialism.



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VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

" The aim of socialism is worker's control over the means of production."

"Socialists want a decentralized system"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI

 

ok seriously, when the means of production are taken over by the workers.... don't the workers have to come to some type of middle group about how things will work? do you not understand that what i just described is a centralised government?

 

" capitalism is centralized"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI

 

"As it is, capitalism is centralized with a board of members and CEOs and a very strict, rigid structure that has a few people decide the course of events."

if i start a business and i do well, that's capitalism right?  how is me starting my own business in any way centralised? explain that to me

 

seriously you have to tell me who is teaching these ideas? is this coming from your school or something? i seriously want to know

Ah, so I see you've resorted to using memes. It is decentralized in that it is a democratic process decided by multiple people, unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands. And no, this is not coming from school, schools don't want to promote socialism.

 

"Ah, so I see you've resorted to using memes."

yeah, because its getting frustrating repeating the same thing over and over again... we've gone through this many times now and eventually you'll just leave when you can't address the obvious flaw in what you're saying

 

" It is decentralized in that it is a democratic process decided by multiple people"

wow... you don't get what centralised and decentralised refer to in this context

when people talk about something being centralised in this context they are referring to something that all of the members of a social group contribute towards towards like government for example.... on the other hand decentralised refers to individual action

...i seriously can't believe that you took the terms and assigned the opposite meaning to them

 

ok ok to clarify lets take things a little further... so in your example individuals vote towards something, doesn't there need to be a body that assesses the votes and ensures that no single worker has an advantage over the others? again this is what we call government

 

"unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands."

 

yes... which is capitalism... right?

 

"schools don't want to promote socialism."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

Ah, so I see you've resorted to using memes. It is decentralized in that it is a democratic process decided by multiple people, unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands. And no, this is not coming from school, schools don't want to promote socialism.

 

"Ah, so I see you've resorted to using memes."

yeah, because its getting frustrating repeating the same thing over and over again... we've gone through this many times now and eventually you'll just leave when you can't address the obvious flaw in what you're saying

 

" It is decentralized in that it is a democratic process decided by multiple people"

wow... you don't get what centralised and decentralised refer to in this context

when people talk about something being centralised in this context they are referring to something that all of the members of a social group contribute towards towards like government for example.... on the other hand decentralised refers to individual action

...i seriously can't believe that you took the terms and assigned the opposite meaning to them

 

ok ok to clarify lets take things a little further... so in your example individuals vote towards something, doesn't there need to be a body that assesses the votes and ensures that no single worker has an advantage over the others? again this is what we call government

 

"unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands."

 

yes... which is capitalism... right?

 

"schools don't want to promote socialism."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI

So, one person having control is somehow less centralized than multiple people having control? And of course it's capitalism, that was my point. Also, I want to see an example of a school promoting overthrowing capitalism and replacing it with a socialist economy.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"Ah, so I see you've resorted to using memes."

yeah, because its getting frustrating repeating the same thing over and over again... we've gone through this many times now and eventually you'll just leave when you can't address the obvious flaw in what you're saying

 

" It is decentralized in that it is a democratic process decided by multiple people"

wow... you don't get what centralised and decentralised refer to in this context

when people talk about something being centralised in this context they are referring to something that all of the members of a social group contribute towards towards like government for example.... on the other hand decentralised refers to individual action

...i seriously can't believe that you took the terms and assigned the opposite meaning to them

 

ok ok to clarify lets take things a little further... so in your example individuals vote towards something, doesn't there need to be a body that assesses the votes and ensures that no single worker has an advantage over the others? again this is what we call government

 

"unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands."

 

yes... which is capitalism... right?

 

"schools don't want to promote socialism."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI

So, one person having control is somehow less centralized than multiple people having control? And of course it's capitalism, that was my point. Also, I want to see an example of a school promoting overthrowing capitalism and replacing it with a socialist economy.

"So, one person having control is somehow less centralized than multiple people having control?"

if its over their own business yes as opposed to people voting to a government that controls what happens for everyone

 

do you not realise that you're saying that you want to take the rights of the individual away and have the central body decide what happens for everyone?

hitler's party was the central body in germany

 

" Also, I want to see an example of a school promoting overthrowing capitalism and replacing it with a socialist economy."

it is well known that the universities are dominated by leftists



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, one person having control is somehow less centralized than multiple people having control? And of course it's capitalism, that was my point. Also, I want to see an example of a school promoting overthrowing capitalism and replacing it with a socialist economy.

"So, one person having control is somehow less centralized than multiple people having control?"

if its over their own business yes as opposed to people voting to a government that controls what happens for everyone

 

do you not realise that you're saying that you want to take the rights of the individual away and have the central body decide what happens for everyone?

hitler's party was the central body in germany

How is giving the individuals a say in the matter giving away their individual right?



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VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

"So, one person having control is somehow less centralized than multiple people having control?"

if its over their own business yes as opposed to people voting to a government that controls what happens for everyone

 

do you not realise that you're saying that you want to take the rights of the individual away and have the central body decide what happens for everyone?

hitler's party was the central body in germany

How is giving the individuals a say in the matter giving away their individual right?

because they are voting to a central body or government which then based on the majority decides what happens to the people

the jews were a minority in germany for example and they suffered as a result

 

the funny thing is that you have now contradicted yourself, look closely -

"Socialists want a decentralized system"

"unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands."

 

your whole argument so far has been presumably in favour of individual rights under socialism - "How is giving the individuals a say in the matter giving away their individual right?"

and yet above you call socialism "decentralised" while calling a situation based on individual action "centralised"



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

How is giving the individuals a say in the matter giving away their individual right?

because they are voting to a central body or government which then based on the majority decides what happens to the people

the jews were a minority in germany for example and they suffered as a result

 

the funny thing is that you have now contradicted yourself, look closely -

"Socialists want a decentralized system"

"unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands."

 

your whole argument so far has been presumably in favour of individual rights under socialism - "How is giving the individuals a say in the matter giving away their individual right?"

and yet above you call socialism "decentralised" while calling a situation based on individual action "centralised"

Socialism is decentralized because all of the workers have a say, unlike the centralized system where only one person is deciding things.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

because they are voting to a central body or government which then based on the majority decides what happens to the people

the jews were a minority in germany for example and they suffered as a result

 

the funny thing is that you have now contradicted yourself, look closely -

"Socialists want a decentralized system"

"unlike your hypothetical business where you would be the one making decisions and have control, so the power is centralized in your hands."

 

your whole argument so far has been presumably in favour of individual rights under socialism - "How is giving the individuals a say in the matter giving away their individual right?"

and yet above you call socialism "decentralised" while calling a situation based on individual action "centralised"

Socialism is decentralized because all of the workers have a say, unlike the centralized system where only one person is deciding things.

 

so... lets say 40% of workers want one thing to happen while 60% want another thing to happen... what happens?

 

" unlike the centralized system where only one person is deciding things."

well if i establish a company, should i not be able to decide what happens in my company primarily? since i am the one who sacrificed to establish it?



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

Socialism is decentralized because all of the workers have a say, unlike the centralized system where only one person is deciding things.

 

so... lets say 40% of workers want one thing to happen while 60% want another thing to happen... what happens?

 

" unlike the centralized system where only one person is deciding things."

well if i establish a company, should i not be able to decide what happens in my company primarily? since i am the one who sacrificed to establish it?

There would have to be compromises. And no, since the workers are the ones whose labour are getting you a profit in the first place, so they should be deciding.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

so... lets say 40% of workers want one thing to happen while 60% want another thing to happen... what happens?

 

" unlike the centralized system where only one person is deciding things."

well if i establish a company, should i not be able to decide what happens in my company primarily? since i am the one who sacrificed to establish it?

There would have to be compromises. And no, since the workers are the ones whose labour are getting you a profit in the first place, so they should be deciding.

 

"There would have to be compromises"

i think what you mean to say here is that the majority vote wins... beyond that, who decides what compromises have to be made and who accepts the votes from the individuals?... a central body right?

...lol so if i employ someone, they should get to decide how my company works?