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o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

Not a socialist revolution, that's for sure.

what was his aim? and what is the aim aim of socialism?

His aim was to take over lands and de-populate the regions of the natives and replace them with Germanic people. The aim of socialism is worker's control over the means of production.



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VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

what was his aim? and what is the aim aim of socialism?

His aim was to take over lands and de-populate the regions of the natives and replace them with Germanic people. The aim of socialism is worker's control over the means of production.

 

things hitler did in germany include

 

-he presented free socialised health care for all

-free public education for children in addition to child care centers

-gun control

-employment for all

 

all provided under his government... how is that not socialism? and of course like many of the leftists now he had a victim narrative directed from the german people to the jews

today the narrative is against white men

what exactly did he privatise?



VGPolyglot said:
thismeintiel said:

National Socialists.  Yes, they were.  I know people on the left like to lump them with the right, just so the right has some big evils, too, but it's just not fact.  They wanted a big government to rule over the people with an iron fist, including businesses.  That's not a policy of the right.  Especially not the Conservative right.

National Socialism was a way to gain support, they were not socialists. For one, they privatised industries during their regime:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

 

They also attacked socialist groups and unions:

http://isj.org.uk/divided-they-fell-the-german-left-and-the-rise-of-hitler/

Bwahaha!!  Privatization?  Is that what you want to call it?  I'm guessing they let anyone run those companies, right?  Including Jews?  Or all the other groups they threw into concentration camps?  The answer is no.  How bout if the leader of a company spoke out strongly against Nazis?  Did they just let them continue to run that company?  Sorry, but that's not privatization when the government can just throw out whoever is in charge and put someone in who favors them. 

And who cares if they attacked other leftists?  That's what radical leftists do.  You can see that in modern day with Antifa not caring who they hurt, including the Neo-Nazis who, if you actual listen to them, are pushing racism AND Socialist ideas.  There are different forms of radical leftism.  Nazis, Communists, Marxists.  They always fight over who is going to gain control of this big government that has all this control and power.  Whoever wins persecutes the others.  It's been happening in history since those philosophies were created.



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

His aim was to take over lands and de-populate the regions of the natives and replace them with Germanic people. The aim of socialism is worker's control over the means of production.

 

things hitler did in germany include

 

-he presented free socialised health care for all

-free public education for children in addition to child care centers

-gun control

-employment for all

 

all provided under his government... how is that not socialism?

what exactly did he privatise?

He actually abolished taxes on cars, and there was not employment for all, there was still a million unemployed Germans by 1937.

http://spartacus-educational.com/GERunemployment.htm

 

Also, the source I gave on privatization says right in it:

These firms belonged to a wide range of sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyards, ship-lines, railways, etc. In addition, the delivery of some public services that were produced by government prior to the 1930s, especially social and labor-related services, was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the party. 



thismeintiel said:
VGPolyglot said:

National Socialism was a way to gain support, they were not socialists. For one, they privatised industries during their regime:

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf

 

They also attacked socialist groups and unions:

http://isj.org.uk/divided-they-fell-the-german-left-and-the-rise-of-hitler/

Bwahaha!!  Privatization?  Is that what you want to call it?  I'm guessing they let anyone run those companies, right?  Including Jews?  Or all the other groups they threw into concentration camps?  The answer is no.  How bout if the leader of a company spoke out strongly against Nazis?  Did they just let them continue to run that company?  Sorry, but that's not privatization when the government can just throw out whoever is in charge and put someone in who favors them. 

And who cares if they attacked other leftists?  That's what radical leftists do.  You can see that in modern day with Antifa not caring who they hurt, including the Neo-Nazis who, if you actual listen to them, are pushing racism AND Socialist ideas.  There are different forms of radical leftism.  Nazis, Communists, Marxists.  They always fight over who is going to gain control of this big government that has all this control and power.  Whoever wins persecutes the others.  It's been happening in history since those philosophies were created.

I gave you sources that showed how they were not left-wing, now you show me how they were left-wing.



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VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

things hitler did in germany include

 

-he presented free socialised health care for all

-free public education for children in addition to child care centers

-gun control

-employment for all

 

all provided under his government... how is that not socialism?

what exactly did he privatise?

He actually abolished taxes on cars, and there was not employment for all, there was still a million unemployed Germans by 1937.

http://spartacus-educational.com/GERunemployment.htm

 

Also, the source I gave on privatization says right in it:

These firms belonged to a wide range of sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyards, ship-lines, railways, etc. In addition, the delivery of some public services that were produced by government prior to the 1930s, especially social and labor-related services, was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the party. 

 

 

Many German people had suffered during the First World War and the Depression, so welcomed Hitler's economic policies with open arms. There was full employment, new public works and ordinary workers even had the opportunity to purchase a car to drive on the new autobahns [AutobahnsGerman motorways ].

Economic policy summary

Hitler's economic policy had four main ideas:

  1. Full employment - the idea that everyone should have a job. By 1939, there was virtually no unemployment in Germany.
  2. Beauty of Work - the Nazis set up the SdA (Beauty of Work) to help Germans see that work was good, and that everyone who could work should. In fact - because the Nazis had abolished the trade unions, banned strikes, and given more power to the industrialists - real wages fell and hours were longer under Hitler.
  3. Re-armament begun in 1935 - the idea of 'guns before butter'.
  4. Autarky - there was an unsuccessful attempt at making Germany self-sufficient.

The good life in Nazi Germany

Despite the loss of political and religious freedom, life improved in Germany for many ordinary people who were prepared to 'toe the line' and look the other way.

Hitler opening a new Volkswagen factory.

 

  • Everybody had a job, and a wage. To people who had been unemployed and starving, 'work and bread' was a wonderful blessing worth every civil liberty they lost.
  • The Nazis set up KdF (Strength through Joy), which gave workers rewards for their work - evening classes, theatre trips, picnics, and even free holidays.
  • The Nazis devised a scheme to allow workers to buy a Volkswagen Beetle car for a small weekly payment.
  • The autobahns improved transport and travel.
  • People appreciated the public works - eg new schools and hospitals.
  • The streets were safe and there was no crime.
  • Germany was strong and successful in world affairs.
  • Nazi rallies provided colour and fun.
  • Nazi Youth groups provided activities and holidays for young people.
  • Nazi ideology gave people hope and confidence.

How Hitler increased employment

Hitler introduced many policies to fulfil his goal of full employment:

  • He stopped paying reparations and invested the money in German companies.
  • He began a huge programme of public works including planting forests, and building hospitals and schools. He also built public buildings such as the 1936 Olympic Stadium. The construction of the autobahns created work for 80,000 men.
  • Rearmament created jobs in the armaments industry.
  • The introduction of national service meant all young men spent six months in the RAD [RADThe labour service in which young men in Germany had to do a six-month compulsory stint. ] and then they were conscripted into the army. By 1939, 1.4 million men were in the army, so they were not counted as unemployed.
  • Many Jews were sacked and their jobs given to non-Jews.
  • Many women were sacked and their jobs given to men.
"Also, the source I gave on privatization says right in it:"
i believe that has more to do with the economics of the country than anything else, but regardless he socialised the most important aspects of the country - health care, education and security
i will add that you're being lied to about this and you should ask yourself why would you be lied to and mislead about something like this


o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

He actually abolished taxes on cars, and there was not employment for all, there was still a million unemployed Germans by 1937.

http://spartacus-educational.com/GERunemployment.htm

 

Also, the source I gave on privatization says right in it:

These firms belonged to a wide range of sectors: steel, mining, banking, local public utilities, shipyards, ship-lines, railways, etc. In addition, the delivery of some public services that were produced by government prior to the 1930s, especially social and labor-related services, was transferred to the private sector, mainly to organizations within the party. 

 

  • The introduction of national service meant all young men spent six months in the RAD [RADThe labour service in which young men in Germany had to do a six-month compulsory stint. ] and then they were conscripted into the army. By 1939, 1.4 million men were in the army, so they were not counted as unemployed.
  • Many Jews were sacked and their jobs given to non-Jews.
  • Many women were sacked and their jobs given to men.

Many Jews and women were sacked, so that means they lost their jobs. So, essentially there was no unemployment because they just didn't count them as unemployed.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

  • The introduction of national service meant all young men spent six months in the RAD [RADThe labour service in which young men in Germany had to do a six-month compulsory stint. ] and then they were conscripted into the army. By 1939, 1.4 million men were in the army, so they were not counted as unemployed.
  • Many Jews were sacked and their jobs given to non-Jews.
  • Many women were sacked and their jobs given to men.

Many Jews and women were sacked, so that means they lost their jobs. So, essentially there was no unemployment because they just didn't count them as unemployed.

they were sacked because a centralised government exercised control over the people of germany

 

what side of the political spectrum does a centralised government exist on?

and many leftists today would love to oust white men from their jobs and give them to women for "equality"... at the very core the same fundamental ideas are inspiring people from both eras



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

Many Jews and women were sacked, so that means they lost their jobs. So, essentially there was no unemployment because they just didn't count them as unemployed.

they were sacked because a centralised government exercised control over the people of germany

 

what side of the political spectrum does a centralised government exist on?

and many leftists today would love to oust white men from their jobs and give them to women for "equality"... at the very core the same fundamental ideas are inspiring people from both eras

Socialists want a decentralized system, with the workers' controlling it. As it is, capitalism is centralized with a board of members and CEOs and a very strict, rigid structure that has a few people decide the course of events.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

they were sacked because a centralised government exercised control over the people of germany

 

what side of the political spectrum does a centralised government exist on?

and many leftists today would love to oust white men from their jobs and give them to women for "equality"... at the very core the same fundamental ideas are inspiring people from both eras

Socialists want a decentralized system, with the workers' controlling it. As it is, capitalism is centralized with a board of members and CEOs and a very strict, rigid structure that has a few people decide the course of events.

 

" The aim of socialism is worker's control over the means of production."

"Socialists want a decentralized system"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI

 

ok seriously, when the means of production are taken over by the workers.... don't the workers have to come to some type of middle group about how things will work? do you not understand that what i just described is a centralised government?

 

" capitalism is centralized"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm_GPkOfVKI

 

"As it is, capitalism is centralized with a board of members and CEOs and a very strict, rigid structure that has a few people decide the course of events."

if i start a business and i do well, that's capitalism right?  how is me starting my own business in any way centralised? explain that to me

 

seriously you have to tell me who is teaching these ideas? is this coming from your school or something? i seriously want to know