It’s not my intention to undermine the PS4. I have a PS4 along with a Switch so I have no incentive to talk crap about it. I even said in a previous comment in another thread that I’m glad that all of the big three are doing well. Just saying the PS4 had the head start this year compared to the Switch. Whether you interpret it as undermining or not, the fact is it had a two month start. We were all singing praises of the console when it outshined the Wii U completely despite its one year head start. I personally don’t care if the PS4 ends up selling better than the Switch all year next year or the next. As long as they all are doing well then I’m a happy camper, even as mainly a Nintendo fan.

I haven’t said anything in my opinion and argued them as fact. I said the first year lineup is really debatable, there’s nothing really fact about it unless you want to compare meta scores or sales or whatever. If you don’t think it’s debatable then that’s fine. All I was saying in the comment earlier that the PS4 at $199 with the library it has is a great deal and should do well. Where is it that I undermined the PS4 that time?

Selection bias, whether conscious or unconscious, is evidenced by confirmation of the narrative through unsolicited data points.

Things like "two month lead, best of all-time lineup, overcoming expectations," and framing the console race being all about power can be parsed out with contradictory evidence. In this narrative and so many others, for instance, the 3DS has become the forgotten soldier: it's outsold the PS4, shown the robust strength of the portable market, and that Nintendo never left. As I've long said, nothing absolute exists to define expectations: Switch is bridging markets, the WiiU tapered off and was scuttled, the Wii curb-stomped a generation, the mobile market is swallowing up portable gaming, the new console-sellers are 3rd party, etc. There's just too much data to make any meaningful predictions. Even the lineup isn't console exclusive, as they are also WiiU games. I would call it great, but even that must be tempered by that fact. 

In summation, after being hounded with the "consoles are dead mantra," 2017 has shown that to be anything but true. Not only did BF light up the sales charts, but it did 2016 one better: 3 consoles, as opposed to 2. The sales have been so impressive that we're all still debating who led the charge, and that's the great story of 2017.

Selection bias, whether conscious or unconscious, is evidenced by confirmation of the narrative through unsolicited data points.

Things like "two month lead, best of all-time lineup, overcoming expectations," and framing the console race being all about power can be parsed out with contradictory evidence. In this narrative and so many others, for instance, the 3DS has become the forgotten soldier: it's outsold the PS4, shown the robust strength of the portable market, and that Nintendo never left. As I've long said, nothing absolute exists to define expectations: Switch is bridging markets, the WiiU tapered off and was scuttled, the Wii curb-stomped a generation, the mobile market is swallowing up portable gaming, the new console-sellers are 3rd party, etc. There's just too much data to make any meaningful predictions. Even the lineup isn't console exclusive, as they are also WiiU games. I would call it great, but even that must be tempered by that fact. 

In summation, after being hounded with the "consoles are dead mantra," 2017 has shown that to be anything but true. Not only did BF light up the sales charts, but it did 2016 one better: 3 consoles, as opposed to 2. The sales have been so impressive that we're all still debating who led the charge, and that's the great story of 2017.

It was all a dream. Then we woke up and ate some more pizza.

No, we can't stop putting every single good news about Switch above the rest.

Well, it isn't name PS4 or Switch, so it didn't done as good in BF.

It's a solid system, and first official deal (PS4 at 350 done quite good at the time as well) but surely the ranking is crazy.

There is no need to mention consoles that have been doing good every single BF. And perhaps they just wanted to focus on the new guy (although forgeting X1X released this month isn't good)

The concept here is that we're talking about BF. So the fact that you can find Switch at the BF price in several stores (perhaps not all colors/bundles at every single store) so its sales wasn't impacted by stock, but you can't find PS4 199 "at all" so it certainly affected sales.

This year on USA PS4 have been doing much better than X1. But sure Nov and Dec NPD MS could give us a surprise. But so far from what we have, November won't be the month for it.

Was already left on the first page.

No, we can't stop putting every single good news about Switch above the rest.

Well, it isn't name PS4 or Switch, so it didn't done as good in BF.

It's a solid system, and first official deal (PS4 at 350 done quite good at the time as well) but surely the ranking is crazy.

There is no need to mention consoles that have been doing good every single BF. And perhaps they just wanted to focus on the new guy (although forgeting X1X released this month isn't good)

The concept here is that we're talking about BF. So the fact that you can find Switch at the BF price in several stores (perhaps not all colors/bundles at every single store) so its sales wasn't impacted by stock, but you can't find PS4 199 "at all" so it certainly affected sales.

This year on USA PS4 have been doing much better than X1. But sure Nov and Dec NPD MS could give us a surprise. But so far from what we have, November won't be the month for it.

Was already left on the first page.

Imagine the PS4 releasing at $299. Do you think a 4 year old system at $199 would have outsold it? I don’t think so.

This sounds like an ad campaign, written by Donald Trump: "all the haters said that we would fail, but showed them with the best lineup of all-time!"

You even threw in the "two month head start," explicitly undermining the fact that the PS4 is still the 2017 sales leader.

Ask a Sony/MS fan about that lineup, and they don't care. Your choir is the Nintendo fanbase. Nintendo fans feel the same way about "stupid," shiny CoDs.

I just wish I could come on here and not have to read console warz fans spouting subjective opinions as facts, in an attempt to undermine competitors.

The fact of the matter is that this has been a great year for videogaming with no console being the "story of 2017." The industry's growth is the real story.

I actually think so. Black Friday moves people because of the deals, so no deals is a huge disadvantage. I'll honestly be pleasantly surprised if the Switch wins the BF. Everything points out that every console did pretty well, so that's good new for everyone.

EDIT: Well, I think so if the console is actually popular. I mean, a 4 years old WiiU wouldn't stand a chance xD.