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nemo37 said:

Because the Switch is a portable system that consumes 15 watts of power and XONE and PS4 are stationary systems that consume over 100 watts of power;

Launch ps3 drew more power than launch ps4, launch Xbox 360 drew roughly the same as launch xbox one, with Xbox 360 slim actually drawing more.

So you're using last gen consoles in comparison because if power consumption? Really?

In reality you are using this gems skyrim build when it suits your argument (look how much better it looks than the 360 and ps3 versions!) and then if someone says, but it's a current gen version of the game on a current gen system, you revert to, yeah but that's not fair because handheld and less powerful.

Yes, the switch is less powerful, that's why it's version of skyrim looks the worse, mystery solved.

Reality is if someone has a pc, xbox one or ps4, switch offers the worst version of the game, pointing to last gen consoles and saying but look it's better than them, is pointless, because the current gen version of the game already looks better on the newer systems too. 



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The quality of third-party support has been about the same as the quality of third-party support on Wii U. The quantity of third-party support has been less than the quantity of third-party support for Wii U. Factually speaking, I have no reason to have changed my opinion yet.

I am one of the few people that absolutely love Wii U. Hell, I still play it today as Switch replaced my 3DS but not my Wii U. With that said, I love Switch for what it is but I have to accept what it is not. Right now, it is not on the same scale as even the, "poor" Wii U in terms of third-party support. Hopefully, this does improve and my opinion can change as the facts change. Until that day...



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NATO said:
nemo37 said:

Because the Switch is a portable system that consumes 15 watts of power and XONE and PS4 are stationary systems that consume over 100 watts of power;

Launch ps3 drew more power than launch ps4, launch Xbox 360 drew roughly the same as launch xbox one, with Xbox 360 slim actually drawing more.

So you're using last gen consoles in comparison because if power consumption? Really?

In reality you are using this gems skyrim build when it suits your argument (look how much better it looks than the 360 and ps3 versions!) and then if someone says, but it's a current gen version of the game on a current gen system, you revert to, yeah but that's not fair because handheld and less powerful.

Yes, the switch is less powerful, that's why it's version of skyrim looks the worse, mystery solved.

Reality is if someone has a pc, xbox one or ps4, switch offers the worst version of the game, pointing to last gen consoles and saying but look it's better than them, is pointless, because the current gen version of the game already looks better on the newer systems too. 

The power consumption argument makes perfect sense when you look at the process nodes those chips for X360 and PS3 were made with versus what is in the PS4, XONE, and Switch today. When you shrink the processor node you get better performance at lower power consumptions. This is why Switch can outperform PS3 and X360 while still being much more power efficient and similarly it why the PS4 and XONE offer far better performance than their predecessors. However, the Switch, PS4, and XONE all have chips that are built around roughly similar node sizes, which is why it is impossible for the Switch to exhibit the same performance as PS4 and XONE (maybe a system 5-7 years down the line might be able to do that should die shrinks continue as the pace they are progressing right now). It is for the same reason that you cannot take your smartphone or tablet and expect it to perform the same as the desktop PC that has processors built around a similar die size as the processors inside the phone. It is also why I say it is not really fair to expect the Switch to have the same performance as the PS4 and XONE.

Also, if you go back and read my comment, I never said the Switch version looks better than or the same as the current gen versions. The Switch version generally looks the same as the other current-gen when played on its small handheld screen because the small screen hides the blemishes that are visible on a big TV; on the other hand, on the TV, obviously the PS4 and XONE versions will win by a large margin in terms of noticeable differences. The Switch version might offer the worst visual and performance version of a game but it is also the most portable version, and for those that either play only on portable systems or want a portable version of a certain game to compliment the stationary version (Say someone that has Skyrim on PS4 but also wants to play on the go with a handheld device), the Switch version of these games provides that flexibility (and again generally speaking, these look comparable to the PS4 and XONE versions when played on the smaller handheld screen).



Part of the problem with the Wii U is that it wasn’t a suitable multiplayer console. One proper controller was not enough. It also had a portable functionality that didn’t work; if you had it on the first floor of your house, and your bedroom was on the third floor, you couldn’t play games. Also, if you travel often, it was not very portable due to the large controller. Switch is extremely portable, you can take it to your room and play, take it to the office to play, take it when you’re commuting, take it on vacation, take it when you’re away on business. Not only that, but you can play local multiplayer, up to 8 player Mario Kart if you have multiple Switches.



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Jumpin said:
Part of the problem with the Wii U is that it wasn’t a suitable multiplayer console. One proper controller was not enough. It also had a portable functionality that didn’t work; if you had it on the first floor of your house, and your bedroom was on the third floor, you couldn’t play games. Also, if you travel often, it was not very portable due to the large controller. Switch is extremely portable, you can take it to your room and play, take it to the office to play, take it when you’re commuting, take it on vacation, take it when you’re away on business. Not only that, but you can play local multiplayer, up to 8 player Mario Kart if you have multiple Switches.

The main reason Switch has not replaced my Wii U is because the multiplayer is so much better on Wii U than on Switch. Funny you should say that as your opening sentence.



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Cobretti2 said:
Lol people still complain about graphics? I'd hate to see some of you before the PS4/XBOX era, did you not play games lol?

If graphics is the real issue for you than stop being a tight arse and buy a high end PC. Don't set the bar at what you can afford but were it truly is. Otherwise the whole graphics debate is meaningless as you are willing to settle.

For us normal people who couldn't give a shit about a small graphical boost, it all comes down to what you value the most out of the system and your needs. Hell i enjoyed the VITA even though it flopped because to my needs it was better than the PS3. Guess what? the VITA graphics aren't that bad. I did not get eye cancer which caused my eyes to bleed because it was so unplayable.

So if you can't afford the best of something, you shouldn't value it at all? That's a really bizarre argument.



Jumpin said:

It’s the portability and the much higher accessibility to local multiplayer that adds the value over Wii U.

The portable joycon co-op is a standout feature, and out of the box too.



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TomaTito said:
Jumpin said:

It’s the portability and the much higher accessibility to local multiplayer that adds the value over Wii U.

The portable joycon co-op is a standout feature, and out of the box too.

Really, and how many times have you used it, truthfully. 



NATO said:
TomaTito said:

The portable joycon co-op is a standout feature, and out of the box too.

Really, and how many times have you used it, truthfully. 

With Snipperclips a lot during the launch period.
And I do whirl 1-2 Switch to show off the console (so far four times).



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TomaTito said:
NATO said:

Really, and how many times have you used it, truthfully. 

With Snipperclips a lot during the launch period.
And I do whirl 1-2 Switch to show off the console (so far four times).

So literally faceraiders level usage.