By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo - DigitalFoundry: Skyrim for Switch

Alkibiádēs said:
DonFerrari said:

I have zero interest in Skyrim. And would think a lot of people doesn't care about it as well. But the point is the assumption that Skyrim was drove by the PSVR, funnier yet when people say PSVR isn't even attractive platform. So we dismiss that Skyrim done better than PSVR than on Switch because now PSVR is a power seller?

Weren't you complaining about assuming UK = World? Fifa representativiness on UK and WW wasn't that much off, but still a lot of people were complaining when we pointed that Fifa Switch done bad on UK and asked to look at WW sales (you were on that thread?). Know here we are talking about Skyrim UK sales, and you are asking the same (to not discuss it because UK =/= than WW) are you going to pretend nothing happened if Skyrim WW sales aren't high?

Skyrim: open world RPG

Fifa: yearly rehash football title that most Nintendo fans couldn't give a single fuck about + it's missing many features that the other versions have. 

Besides, we haven't gotten sales numbers from Fifa 18, so your argument is moot. Switch is also most popular in North America and Japan and guess what... football (soccer) isn't popular in those countries... which explains the sales. 

Xbox One + PS4 + PC + Xbox 360/PS3 is also a much larger userbase than just the Switch, so that percentage isn't nearly as impressive as you seem to think it is. 

So let me get this straight... UK =/= WW because Skyrim =/= Fifa? We had VGC 1st week already. Unless you can provide better numbers then that is what we have to discuss on.

PS4 4.39M, Switch 0.11M seems like even removing X1, PC, X360, PS3 the representativeness of Switch is still very low.

And the point was that UK percentage was similar to WW for Fifa, so why is any absurd to suppose if Skyrim numbers are bad on UK they can be bad WW? 

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DonFerrari said:

I have zero interest in Skyrim. And would think a lot of people doesn't care about it as well. But the point is the assumption that Skyrim was drove by the PSVR, funnier yet when people say PSVR isn't even attractive platform. So we dismiss that Skyrim done better than PSVR than on Switch because now PSVR is a power seller?

You are trying to catch me on inconsistencies that I have not made, other people have. I actually don't talk about VR at all on this site, so trying to pin me on what other people have said is odd. 

VR is a power seller as soon as it gets the full experiences to support it. Skyrim, like Resident Evil 7, is one such experience. It's not that the PSVR is a "power seller" or sells more than Switch. It's that this is one of the first times PS VR has been attractive to a general audience, with an amazing bundle, including the best selling RPG of all time(not including Pokemon 1st gen), and on top of that it's in the UK. I feel like these are pretty good reasons as to why the game is selling more than the Switch version. Not only is it heavily bundled, but it is a new experience. New. No matter how fresh Skyrim may be on Switch's handheld mode, I don't think that qualifies as being as new as a fully-fledged VR game. 

If I sound like I am making excuses out of sympathy for the Switch, then well ... that is because I kind of am. Well okay, not the excuses part, but the point is that I will admit there is a level of bias giving me such a perspective. Call it wishful thinking. I want the Switch to succeed, but most importantly I want people to be able to have great games on the Switch. To be able to enjoy great experiences on the console that come from companies other than Nintendo. That being said, I feel the viewpoint, even if a bit too optimistic, is supported by the points I made. Even if 3rd party support doesn't effect me(I use a gaming PC for third parties), I want the system to be great for other companies.

I also feel like we've heard these points before. People were shouting doom and gloom when Fate/Extella sold worse on Switch than PS4 and Vita yet Marvelous is still supporting the Switch. I also seem to remember people shouting doom and gloom about the Xenoverse 2 port, and honestly I get it. Looking at the numbers at VGChartz, it says it sold only 100k physical as of September 30th. It debuted at only 24k in Japan(which isn't bad). Yet it passed 400k with digital as of November 9th, meaning that a mere port of an old game sold almost half a million in 1 month and 2.5 weeks. 

The U.K. performance of Skyrim is definitely not great, i'm not going to lie. But Digital + North American sales? It's going to perform very good, I feel. I feel like we'll go through this tango a million times with the Switch. One game underperforms in the charts, people freak out, company releases a statement saying they're pleased, people say the company is just using PR tactics, then they get confused when the company releases another 6 titles for the console.  By the end of the generation, we'll probably look at Skyrim as a good performer with legs especially in the US.

Supporting and cheering for Switch is fine and good. But you don't need to do this by discrediting the sales on a different platform. Because actually it would be less likely to have a big sale of Skyrim due to PSVR (even if bundled... because if PSVR was selling high before Skyrim then it having a bundle that sells good it would be more likely that Skyrim drove the buying than PSVR).

I would like Skyrim to do well. And sure it doing bad in UK doesn't necessarily means it done bad WW. The point is more like, if it is doing bad in UK considering the context then it may do bad WW and expecting high sales may drive to disapointement.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Around the Network
DonFerrari said:

Supporting and cheering for Switch is fine and good. But you don't need to do this by discrediting the sales on a different platform. Because actually it would be less likely to have a big sale of Skyrim due to PSVR (even if bundled... because if PSVR was selling high before Skyrim then it having a bundle that sells good it would be more likely that Skyrim drove the buying than PSVR).

I would like Skyrim to do well. And sure it doing bad in UK doesn't necessarily means it done bad WW. The point is more like, if it is doing bad in UK considering the context then it may do bad WW and expecting high sales may drive to disapointement.

Hm....discrediting sales on a different platform? What? If it came off that way then I apologize, but that's literally the opposite of what I'm doing. It's the other way around, saying the Switch is only doing x compared to platform y is trying to discredit the Switch's sales of that software. The Switch's sales of Skyrim are nowhere near as impressive as VR's sales of Skyrim, the amount of software sales VR is getting is pretty impressive for Skyrim. That, I am not discrediting. I am merely making the point that we've seen this before, where a game charts on Switch and everyone gets into doom and gloom mode.

Also the Skyrim bundle is 50$ more than the regular PS VR bundle, so it's still making Bethesda and Sony a ton of money. It is not like a free game per say. This is why I was confused when you brought in other people's opinions on VR sales, I've never really talked about them before, but I'd say for what it's worth they are certainly impressive. Explaining why they are so high is not trying to downplay them inherently, that's just how you compare sales from two different platforms. 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
DonFerrari said:

Supporting and cheering for Switch is fine and good. But you don't need to do this by discrediting the sales on a different platform. Because actually it would be less likely to have a big sale of Skyrim due to PSVR (even if bundled... because if PSVR was selling high before Skyrim then it having a bundle that sells good it would be more likely that Skyrim drove the buying than PSVR).

I would like Skyrim to do well. And sure it doing bad in UK doesn't necessarily means it done bad WW. The point is more like, if it is doing bad in UK considering the context then it may do bad WW and expecting high sales may drive to disapointement.

Hm....discrediting sales on a different platform? What? If it came off that way then I apologize, but that's literally the opposite of what I'm doing. It's the other way around, saying the Switch is only doing x compared to platform y is trying to discredit the Switch's sales of that software. The Switch's sales of Skyrim are nowhere near as impressive as VR's sales of Skyrim, the amount of software sales VR is getting is pretty impressive for Skyrim. That, I am not discrediting. I am merely making the point that we've seen this before, where a game charts on Switch and everyone gets into doom and gloom mode.

Also the Skyrim bundle is 50$ more than the regular PS VR bundle, so it's still making Bethesda and Sony a ton of money. It is not like a free game per say. This is why I was confused when you brought in other people's opinions on VR sales, I've never really talked about them before, but I'd say for what it's worth they are certainly impressive. Explaining why they are so high is not trying to downplay them inherently, that's just how you compare sales from two different platforms. 

When you put in those terms and consider PSVR Switch version to be doing great (which is good for me, because even though I don't care or like Skyrim more people buying PSVR is good for future support on the platform). And yep the bundle being 50 more, is basically a tie in. I'm quite impressed with the likes of GTA and Skyrim that people go and buy 2, 3 or more times to experience in a new way.

And you are right, explaining why something is doing good or bad is the reason for this forum. Perhaps I understood wrong that you were putting down the accomplishment of both PSVR doing better than usual and Skyrim propelling those sales, instead of the opposite that on a weak market for Nintendo versions, Skyrim may have done satisfactorily.

One can hope we get accurate numbers for the sales of the 3rd parties instead of just receiving the satisfied or not the expectations of publishers.

But so far, Doom and Skyrim have received positive reception in VGCland.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

UK is one of Nintendo's weakest markets, and Skyrim and FIFA are completely different beasts.

On a system whose flagship killer app is Breath of the Wild, and which is strongest in NA, an open world fantasy adventure/RPG is going to do a lot better than a Eurocentric annual sports rehash.

It's the American numbers that will determine the success of this title.

Last edited by curl-6 - on 20 November 2017

People keeps taking UK numbers as something representative when it comes to nintendo? lol

After all the times that succesful switch games have done just okish on UK one would think people would learn something, but nope, some never learn.



Around the Network
Goodnightmoon said:
People keeps taking UK numbers as something representative when it comes to nintendo? lol

After all the times that succesful switch games have done just okish on UK one would think people would learn something, but nope, some never learn.

Yes, we are all very dumb when discussing the only numbers we have instead of supposing other places were so great that the WW would be the opposite.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Goodnightmoon said:
People keeps taking UK numbers as something representative when it comes to nintendo? lol

After all the times that succesful switch games have done just okish on UK one would think people would learn something, but nope, some never learn.

Yes, we are all very dumb when discussing the only numbers we have instead of supposing other places were so great that the WW would be the opposite.

Funny comment since you and ThisGuyFooks are the one suggesting it did bad because it sold less than the VR version in UK, nobody is saying it did amazing in other places, they are only saying Uk is not representative because it isn't.



I think Skyrim holds up well on the Switch. I played a few hours in docked mode and it's a noticeable step up from the PS3 version I played almost 6 years ago, although not as pretty as the PS4 version. Handheld mode is definitely the best part though: I can play Skyrim anywhere now and the Switch truly excels with huge open world games because of portability. Half a decade ago my PS3 struggled to run Skyrim. Today, a handheld can run it no problem.



Goodnightmoon said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, we are all very dumb when discussing the only numbers we have instead of supposing other places were so great that the WW would be the opposite.

Funny comment since you and ThisGuyFooks are the one suggesting it did bad because it sold less than the VR version in UK, nobody is saying it did amazing in other places, they are only saying Uk is not representative because it isn't.

Funnier would be you and others on the Fifa18 UK sales saying that it selling 1% of the sales on UK wasn't any issue and that WW it would do much better and end up doing 110k WW (or like 1.6%) and then you guys play dead.

And now that I bring this fact, then you will try and say that Fifa and skyrim are different games (no shit sherlock).

But based on the info we have right now we have Fifa Switch done bad in UK -> bad WW, and what Skyrim Switch have done (that is lower than PSVR, and in this case can't even use any excuse on userbase since PSVR userbase is smaller than Switch). So from what we have it is more likely to supposed based on data that Skyrim haven't done great number WW for Switch.

But the only argument you can use is UK =/= WW without being able to bring any data or fact to help out any argument that Skyrim done great.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Funny comment since you and ThisGuyFooks are the one suggesting it did bad because it sold less than the VR version in UK, nobody is saying it did amazing in other places, they are only saying Uk is not representative because it isn't.

Funnier would be you and others on the Fifa18 UK sales saying that it selling 1% of the sales on UK wasn't any issue and that WW it would do much better and end up doing 110k WW (or like 1.6%) and then you guys play dead.

And now that I bring this fact, then you will try and say that Fifa and skyrim are different games (no shit sherlock).

But based on the info we have right now we have Fifa Switch done bad in UK -> bad WW, and what Skyrim Switch have done (that is lower than PSVR, and in this case can't even use any excuse on userbase since PSVR userbase is smaller than Switch). So from what we have it is more likely to supposed based on data that Skyrim haven't done great number WW for Switch.

But the only argument you can use is UK =/= WW without being able to bring any data or fact to help out any argument that Skyrim done great.

Oh and why don't you look all the Switch games that did just "okish" on Uk and then were a success WW? Of course you rather talk about Fifa because its the exception and fits better with your desire narrative.