By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Gaming - Violence Porn? TLoU2

Areym on 06 November 2017
Lafiel said:

the violence how it was presented in the TLoU2 trailer was positively sickening and I think that's good, but I don't think that's good to have in a trailer - most horror-film trailers for example don't show off a whole gore/torture scene or sth like that

on the youtube livestream they had a warning that mature content would be shown in the conference, but I think it would have been a good idea to show another warning at the start of a trailer that portraits violence as realistically as this

Eh, i feel like people should know what to expect from the TLoU. I mean, we had ellie almost raped back in the original game, that was way more gut wrenching than breaking someone's arm with a hammer, personally. I can see how that could catch people by surprise, a small warning would have been ok for the squimish but if you were there to see the TLoU trailer or info on it, this stuff should be fairly standard.



"Trick shot? The trick is NOT to get shot." - Lucian

Around the Network
Aeolus451 on 06 November 2017
Machiavellian said:
Aeolus451 said:

They don't understand that if they keep going down that rabbit hole, devs will put less women in games to curb this nonsense about violence against women. If they actually cared about equality then they would be applauding Naughty Dog for having women in a game and not treating them differently than the male characters. 

Its a scene without context and thus how do you expect people to respond.  This is the problem with you advertise your game with a very violent scene to give the impression of maturity but it feels like it's trying to hard.  You do not see this with movie or TV shows because the violence is not the main point of those media but instead the complete story.  I personally do not have an issue with the violence within the game, I have an issue advertising the violence and giving the appearance it's glorifying it within the game.  

It's a trailer of a mature rated horror survival game for the fans of the series. What hysterical normies think of it is irrelevent to be quite honest especially when they parrot that nonsense about it promoting violence against women. 



Tulipanzo on 06 November 2017
Nem said:

So, you want me to conclude on what other people are saying rather than give my own opinion? Wow... the internet keeps getting worse everyday.

I'm afraid to inform, but humans aren't a hive mind.

 

Now to what you are saying, i disagree. Saying Joel was more violent without Elly. Honestly it couldn't tell. Do you say this based on the last level? Cause honestly he is always violent. I didn't notice a difference except in that last level when he finds out they are gonna kill her. 

But sure, i guess the first one started with a town district that was mostly safe and one can say it escalates progressively, though in truth it escalates pretty fast as soon as you leave the safe zone. 

Anyways the game does rely on gratuitous violence, it's the thing it went for. I don't see why you'd act surprised about it now cause they didn't give you a moment of respite at the start. The thing about this game is that Elly is pissed. So, pissed off person in a violence based universe equals more violence. If you didn't like it i don't understand how you enjoyed TLOU.

If your opinion is that there is a double standard you are quite definitely "concluding on what other people are saying", buddy. 
Your comment was quite literally misrepresenting the issues people have with that trailer as if they were a hive mind, where everybody loves the first game but dislikes the new one for "being violent". 
If you'd spent a fraction of a second thinking about it, you'd have realized, as most people in this thread should have, that it would be quite silly of people to think this. Reading on the topic you would have realized that's not what people are saying, and moved on. Maybe next time.


As for the second part, wow, that is some poor understanding of The Last of Us, no wonder you didn't like it. It's also extraneous to the discussion as I used it as an example for presenting and selling violence, so let's move on.
What's that though? Oh, it's also some misunderstanding as to what I said. Quelle surprise!
I'm not surprised the second game is violent: nobody is. The comments, once again, are referring to the marketing, using what is quite clearly crude violence (cruder than your average video game anyway) without any context but "Elly is pissed" (something we have to assume from other bits of marketing). 
This, the argument goes, does a clear disservice in presenting the game to anyone who wasn't already 100% on board with it. It also feeds into some quite nasty trends in using brutality against women in marketing.

You can disagree with the points made, but as most here have, you've elected to ignore them, yet pretend you know what people are talking about.
At least you aren't yelling about the evils of the SJWs ruining your game



Machiavellian on 06 November 2017
Aeolus451 said:
Machiavellian said:

Its a scene without context and thus how do you expect people to respond.  This is the problem with you advertise your game with a very violent scene to give the impression of maturity but it feels like it's trying to hard.  You do not see this with movie or TV shows because the violence is not the main point of those media but instead the complete story.  I personally do not have an issue with the violence within the game, I have an issue advertising the violence and giving the appearance it's glorifying it within the game.  

It's a trailer of a mature rated horror survival game for the fans of the series. What hysterical normies think of it is irrelevent to be quite honest especially when they parrot that nonsense about it promoting violence against women. 

Not sure I have seen any movie or TV show advertising their survival horror content in their trailers.  Like I said, it appears this trailer is trying to hard to appear mature.  If you are a fan of the first game did you need to be sold its mature or has brutal content.  



Nem on 07 November 2017
Tulipanzo said:
Nem said:

So, you want me to conclude on what other people are saying rather than give my own opinion? Wow... the internet keeps getting worse everyday.

I'm afraid to inform, but humans aren't a hive mind.

 

Now to what you are saying, i disagree. Saying Joel was more violent without Elly. Honestly it couldn't tell. Do you say this based on the last level? Cause honestly he is always violent. I didn't notice a difference except in that last level when he finds out they are gonna kill her. 

But sure, i guess the first one started with a town district that was mostly safe and one can say it escalates progressively, though in truth it escalates pretty fast as soon as you leave the safe zone. 

Anyways the game does rely on gratuitous violence, it's the thing it went for. I don't see why you'd act surprised about it now cause they didn't give you a moment of respite at the start. The thing about this game is that Elly is pissed. So, pissed off person in a violence based universe equals more violence. If you didn't like it i don't understand how you enjoyed TLOU.

If your opinion is that there is a double standard you are quite definitely "concluding on what other people are saying", buddy. 
Your comment was quite literally misrepresenting the issues people have with that trailer as if they were a hive mind, where everybody loves the first game but dislikes the new one for "being violent". 
If you'd spent a fraction of a second thinking about it, you'd have realized, as most people in this thread should have, that it would be quite silly of people to think this. Reading on the topic you would have realized that's not what people are saying, and moved on. Maybe next time.


As for the second part, wow, that is some poor understanding of The Last of Us, no wonder you didn't like it. It's also extraneous to the discussion as I used it as an example for presenting and selling violence, so let's move on.
What's that though? Oh, it's also some misunderstanding as to what I said. Quelle surprise!
I'm not surprised the second game is violent: nobody is. The comments, once again, are referring to the marketing, using what is quite clearly crude violence (cruder than your average video game anyway) without any context but "Elly is pissed" (something we have to assume from other bits of marketing). 
This, the argument goes, does a clear disservice in presenting the game to anyone who wasn't already 100% on board with it. It also feeds into some quite nasty trends in using brutality against women in marketing.

You can disagree with the points made, but as most here have, you've elected to ignore them, yet pretend you know what people are talking about.
At least you aren't yelling about the evils of the SJWs ruining your game

Oh boy... you sound like alot of fun...

First, i have said this before but it doesn't need saying. I read the first post and i reply. I don't have the free time some people have to live in the forums. I am not gonna read 6 pages of comments for your convenience. You're just gonna have to live with that. You are free to ignore my post if it pleases you.

As for TLOU. That is your opinion. You want to read alot in it. I am not trying to read something in it. I played it for the game it was and it was alot of violence with a disjointed story. I hate having to go over this but the middle of the game could have been played in any order and no one would've been the wiser.

I didn't like it because it didn't give me anything and i can't relate to whatever redneck american story is going on there. I'm not american and i don't enjoy the company of people/characters who can't be honest.

As for marketing materials... geez it was the first trailer. She said she was gonna kill them all. What else do you want? Was she not pissed off on that trailer? It is the tone the developers want to strike.

People love to group up SJW as this evil group. They aren't an organised group, it's ridiculous. But i often disagree with them. Funnily enough, i am a supporter of left wing politics. This may be seen as a contradiction by some americans because they can't separate social issues from political ones.



Around the Network
globalisateur on 07 November 2017
GribbleGrunger said:
globalisateur said:
I didn't like that trailer at all. And I quite liked the first.

Total misfire by Naughty dog

And yet here we are in one of thousands of threads, Tweets, Facebook posts and Youtube breakdowns, discussing it ...

It's not a backfire, it's a certifiable HIT.

Yes but what are we talking about ? The story ? the characters ? The life in a post-apocalyptic world ?

Well, no. We are talking about violence and torture porn as a way to get more attention to a game that otherwise didn't need to get known or to make that kind of buzz.

The previous trailer got tons of buzz but we were talking about the 2 main characters, what could be the story, if Joel was dead, etc. I wanted to play TLOU2 in order to know more about Joel and Ellie based on the first trailer.

I certainly don't want to know more about a game that revolves about the concept of what is torture, gratuitous violence and pain just for the sake of it.