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Nymeria on 03 November 2017
StarOcean said:

Honestly I believe in desolving both parties entirely. The country was originally founded on a party-less government, no? Besides with this shitty 2 party system we had 2 bad and corrupt people running -and of the major 3, only one of them belonged in the party they supposedly represented! Hillary is a Democrat. However, Bernie and Trump are neither Dem or Republicans. Sanders is arguably a socialist, he doesn't really hold the values of a Democrat. And Trump is definitely not a Republican. He passes Republican stuff because he knows thats the party he said he was, but the dude is not a Republican. 

What are the values of Democrats that Bernie does not hold?



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LivingMetal on 03 November 2017
StarOcean said:
Nymeria said:

It was widely accepted by Sanders supporters, but dismissed by Clinton supporters.  This change confirms by people inside it happened, it's not a discussion or debate anymore.

It is deeply corrupt and unethical, but the laundering tactics used mean they knew if it came to light they'd be able to walk away without criminal charges.  The single biggest threat to democracy is the corruptive influence of money, which has been legalized through Supreme Court decisions. At this point nothing short of amending the constitution could seem to hold off just how pervasive this issue is across every level of both major parties.

Honestly I believe in desolving both parties entirely. The country was originally founded on a party-less government, no? Besides with this shitty 2 party system we had 2 bad and corrupt people running -and of the major 3, only one of them belonged in the party they supposedly represented! Hillary is a Democrat. However, Bernie and Trump are neither Dem or Republicans. Sanders is arguably a socialist, he doesn't really hold the values of a Democrat. And Trump is definitely not a Republican. He passes Republican stuff because he knows thats the party he said he was, but the dude is not a Republican. 

This is what the two-party system is faulty.  Party platforms have changed over the years while the diverse needs of the U.S. cannot be defined by just two parties.



StarOcean on 03 November 2017
Nymeria said:
StarOcean said:

Honestly I believe in desolving both parties entirely. The country was originally founded on a party-less government, no? Besides with this shitty 2 party system we had 2 bad and corrupt people running -and of the major 3, only one of them belonged in the party they supposedly represented! Hillary is a Democrat. However, Bernie and Trump are neither Dem or Republicans. Sanders is arguably a socialist, he doesn't really hold the values of a Democrat. And Trump is definitely not a Republican. He passes Republican stuff because he knows thats the party he said he was, but the dude is not a Republican. 

What are the values of Democrats that Bernie does not hold?

Bernie is left and Democrats are more right than they are left. Compare a Democrat to other left leaning groups and theyd be very right in comparison. Democrats are more left than Republicans, but that's it. I consider the US a centrist right leaning nation. Reps are right wing. Democrats are what I consider right wing with some left leaning qualities.



OTBWY on 03 November 2017
Nymeria said:
OTBWY said:

Building a third party would last more years than reform. More than 8 years at least. You would need to build a base through multiple campaign and elections. Very hard imo.

My thoughts as well, but at what point does reform feel like a dead end? If the current situation hasn't convinced them to change course how bad would things need to get to shake the rulers of the party to their core to concede power?  What chance does a reformer have against a Feinstein or Pelosi if they have all the political backing of the party?

Because there is no other choice. Time is not on the establishments side. I think it is too early to give up and get depressed about the current democratic leadership. They are already fairly unpopular, so it won't last. People like Bernie will win in the end, I am certain of it.



Nymeria on 03 November 2017
OTBWY said:
Nymeria said:

My thoughts as well, but at what point does reform feel like a dead end? If the current situation hasn't convinced them to change course how bad would things need to get to shake the rulers of the party to their core to concede power?  What chance does a reformer have against a Feinstein or Pelosi if they have all the political backing of the party?

Because there is no other choice. Time is not on the establishments side. I think it is too early to give up and get depressed about the current democratic leadership. They are already fairly unpopular, so it won't last. People like Bernie will win in the end, I am certain of it.

I hope you're right, 2018/2020 will be telling if any movement is possible.



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numberwang on 03 November 2017

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Majin-Tenshinhan on 03 November 2017

No news here, but good to see some people waking up to it.



irstupid on 03 November 2017
StarOcean said:
I thought we knew this. Like this was a big reason a lot of Sanders supporters voted for Trump out of protest, right? I thought we knew. How illegal is this? All who were responsible need to rot in jail.

Well, this info was brought to us originally by Wikileaks. Thus we were told that all of that stuff was fake, cause there was a lot of bad stuff in there. This Debbie lady has though confirmed two things thus far in those leaks, so we should start to take what they said as near fact now.

numberwang said:

Ha, whats teh pochahontas reference mean? Does he have a fun nickname for Elizabeth Warren and her fake indian heritage?



StarOcean on 03 November 2017
irstupid said:
StarOcean said:
I thought we knew this. Like this was a big reason a lot of Sanders supporters voted for Trump out of protest, right? I thought we knew. How illegal is this? All who were responsible need to rot in jail.

Well, this info was brought to us originally by Wikileaks. Thus we were told that all of that stuff was fake, cause there was a lot of bad stuff in there. This Debbie lady has though confirmed two things thus far in those leaks, so we should start to take what they said as near fact now.

numberwang said:

Ha, whats teh pochahontas reference mean? Does he have a fun nickname for Elizabeth Warren and her fake indian heritage?

Dunno how she has fake heritage. I've got a variety of things in me such as being 1/4th Latino and also being black and Aztec on my grandfathers side. However I'm white w/ blue eyes and light hair due to my father being Swedish/Canadian. However, just because I don't look it doesn't mean what I have is automatically 'fake' heritage



irstupid on 03 November 2017
SpokenTruth said:
irstupid said:

Ha, whats teh pochahontas reference mean? Does he have a fun nickname for Elizabeth Warren and her fake indian heritage?

1. Not fake.
2. That IS his nickname (read: childish insult) for Warren.

Why use it for this tweet then? What did Warren have to do with this DNC situation? 

But it has never been proven ever that she is Native American. There is zero evidence, she has taken no DNA test. The biggest proof is a heresay of someone saying a family newsletter said someone was part Native American a lot of years ago. But that newsletter was never shown or found, all heresay.

Even if it were true, that would make her at best 1/32nd Native American. The tribes she claims to have been ancenstry from have no record of any of her ancestors.