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Nymeria said:
OTBWY said:

Building a third party would last more years than reform. More than 8 years at least. You would need to build a base through multiple campaign and elections. Very hard imo.

My thoughts as well, but at what point does reform feel like a dead end? If the current situation hasn't convinced them to change course how bad would things need to get to shake the rulers of the party to their core to concede power?  What chance does a reformer have against a Feinstein or Pelosi if they have all the political backing of the party?

Because there is no other choice. Time is not on the establishments side. I think it is too early to give up and get depressed about the current democratic leadership. They are already fairly unpopular, so it won't last. People like Bernie will win in the end, I am certain of it.