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GhaudePhaede010 said:
VGPolyglot said:

For 2 more months However, it sounds like Sony is also planning on making changes to MAU, so I expect them to attempt to have microtransactions/GaaS more prominently in the future.

Source?

They said 2018, so I was taking it as January 1st, 2018.



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Kyuu said:
Wright said:

You make it sound like consumers are the devil for not wanting to spend 600 bucks on a console that originally didn't show any of the promised potential and clearly gave trouble to plenty of developers that would rather look for easier success elsewhere, incentivizing the competition in the process.

The original price was $500.. not 600. And I'm not really against X360 supporters as I myself bought one before PS3 and ended up playing more games on it. My criticism is mainly directed at the gamers who demonized Sony at the time MS was doing much worse practices, one of which is now standardized.

There were two different models, one offered for 600 bucks and the other one offered for 500, but since you mentioned the retrocompatibility aspect, only found on the 600-bucks model, I thought you were mainly referring to that one.



DonFerrari said:
Nautilus said:

But how many has that much more potential to grow?I havent been following that closely how well the other divisions of Sony are fairing, but I dont remember them having an expected explosive growth ahead of them like the PS4 and the Switch had/are planned to have.

And as you said, stock market is basically speculation.Speculation about the future.If they expect that the Switch will grow rapidly and in big jumps, and if that growth is a "given", they will value that company more, because thats easy money.If Sony is less inclined to do the same, and its more of a long investment or whatever, people will be less interested to invest.

Dont get me wrong, I believe that Nintendo stock is a bit of an illusion now, given that investors think that Nintendo will enter the chinese market(because of they having that MOBA game on the Switch) and succeed, but for the most part its because it seems that the Switch is on track to duplicate ,or come really close, the success of the Wii.And that thing printed money.

Well, all of them have potential, if Sony will make wonders on them or not is another subject of course.

I'm happy both Nintendo and Sony is doing fine on stock market, it's just that I don't put much value on stock market. I know they speculate in future profitability, but when they buy and sell those shares daily how the potential in 5 years are really important?

I think it really depends on how much they think will profit.If buying 10 dollars a share today and in 2 years that same shares will be worth 3,4 or even 5 times more, I think they are willing to wait that long.Of course that they constantly buy and sell stocks, but most investors most likely invest in multiple companies at once, and probably has short term plans for some, and long term plans for others.But Im no specialist on how the market works and when is the right time to buy stocks, so thats as far as my guesses go



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

VGPolyglot said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Source?

They said 2018, so I was taking it as January 1st, 2018.

I thought some new info came out and I missed it. Had I felt more confident, I would have just ignored you. My bad.



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Kyuu said:
When consumers could have supported the ambitious, more reliable PS3, with its free online service, and full backwards compatibility with the two greatest gaming systems of all time next to the SNES... they were instead singing happy songs to celebrate Sony's doom because a couple of Sony representatives got a little arrogant..

Paid online is the natural extension to the great success of X360 vs the relative failure of PS3.

Let's be honest. Gamers used to downplay PSN saying that Live was superior because it was paid, that you got what you paid for. People also voted with the wallet, if gamers had flocked to the PS3, MS would probably had made theirs free too.

But since free online not only sees pointless to get consumers while giving you a bad rep, why not profit like crazy?

I guess people simply don't care. It's 50 bucks a year, it really is hard to see it make anyone jump ship.

I always said that paid PS+ would result in 2 things: the service would not improve anyway and the "free" games would be worse (before they had to convince you to pay, offering better games). 100% spot on.

The only improvement PS+ had was increasing the cloud save limit. But that only happened because PS4 saves are dozens of MB (PS3 was always under 1MB), so the previous limit could not hold more than a dozen saves.



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I think you may be forgetting that Sony's Game & Network Services Division has essentially been their only profitable one for years. Sony has only recently become profitable, and it is much harder for them to make huge net income numbers than it is for Nintendo. While Sony's PlayStation has often propped up the finances of the entire corporation, Nintendo's success with the Switch is the majority of their revenue (at least going forward).



Playing Xenoblade 2 before I buy Xenoblade 3 (otherwise I couldn't wait to play 3).

Can they announce a new Fire Emblem? A remake of Genealogy or Tellius would suffice !

Nautilus said:
DonFerrari said:

Well, all of them have potential, if Sony will make wonders on them or not is another subject of course.

I'm happy both Nintendo and Sony is doing fine on stock market, it's just that I don't put much value on stock market. I know they speculate in future profitability, but when they buy and sell those shares daily how the potential in 5 years are really important?

I think it really depends on how much they think will profit.If buying 10 dollars a share today and in 2 years that same shares will be worth 3,4 or even 5 times more, I think they are willing to wait that long.Of course that they constantly buy and sell stocks, but most investors most likely invest in multiple companies at once, and probably has short term plans for some, and long term plans for others.But Im no specialist on how the market works and when is the right time to buy stocks, so thats as far as my guesses go

That is how it should work. But we (or at least I) know that most of time it have people that generate an early move to "manipulate" the market and then benefit on it. In that way we get a lot of bubbles and depressions on the stocks.

If stocks market were really based on future gain of said company and value of it, there wouldn't happen so many fluctuations. It is almost a legalized gambling.

torok said:
Kyuu said:
When consumers could have supported the ambitious, more reliable PS3, with its free online service, and full backwards compatibility with the two greatest gaming systems of all time next to the SNES... they were instead singing happy songs to celebrate Sony's doom because a couple of Sony representatives got a little arrogant..

Paid online is the natural extension to the great success of X360 vs the relative failure of PS3.

Let's be honest. Gamers used to downplay PSN saying that Live was superior because it was paid, that you got what you paid for. People also voted with the wallet, if gamers had flocked to the PS3, MS would probably had made theirs free too.

But since free online not only sees pointless to get consumers while giving you a bad rep, why not profit like crazy?

I guess people simply don't care. It's 50 bucks a year, it really is hard to see it make anyone jump ship.

I always said that paid PS+ would result in 2 things: the service would not improve anyway and the "free" games would be worse (before they had to convince you to pay, offering better games). 100% spot on.

The only improvement PS+ had was increasing the cloud save limit. But that only happened because PS4 saves are dozens of MB (PS3 was always under 1MB), so the previous limit could not hold more than a dozen saves.

Yep it was written on the floor.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Yay? I mean when you have tens of millions of people paying 60 bucks a year for online access I imagine they would make more.



So? And?



SegataSanshiro said:
So? And?

Don't Care? Don't enter the thread.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."