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RolStoppable said:
outlawauron said:

This is completely false. Even the garbage half of the catalogue still remains at or near its initial MSRP well after release even in cases where it's completely flopped (as were the case with many late Wii U and 3DS titles). That said, at least Nintendo games go on temporary sales more often. I purchased Smash, MK, and Tokyo Mirage Sessions all at $30 and below on sales. I only imagine that Switch will have the same situation this Christmas or next.

You talk about completely false and follow it up with "garbage half of the catalogue"?

Are you going to defend the poor sales of games like Metroid Federation Force, Devil's Third, Codename Steam, and Star Fox Zero? This year has been much better for Nintendo (I don't think they've put anything too bad), but the notion that everything Nintendo publishes is gold is so odd. 2016 wasn't a good year by any measure.



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outlawauron said:
RolStoppable said:

You talk about completely false and follow it up with "garbage half of the catalogue"?

Are you going to defend the poor sales of games like Metroid Federation Force, Devil's Third, Codename Steam, and Star Fox Zero? This year has been much better for Nintendo (I don't think they've put anything too bad), but the notion that everything Nintendo publishes is gold is so odd. 2016 wasn't a good year by any measure.

I didn't make a statement that everything Nintendo publishes is of high quality, so I have nothing to defend here. The thread title doesn't ask about all Nintendo games, but the average (=norm in this context) Nintendo game. The norm for Nintendo games is that they are quality products and some outliers don't change that.

You called half of Nintendo's output garbage, so you have certainly a lot more defending to do than me.



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RolStoppable said:
outlawauron said:

Are you going to defend the poor sales of games like Metroid Federation Force, Devil's Third, Codename Steam, and Star Fox Zero? This year has been much better for Nintendo (I don't think they've put anything too bad), but the notion that everything Nintendo publishes is gold is so odd. 2016 wasn't a good year by any measure.

I didn't make a statement that everything Nintendo publishes is of high quality, so I have nothing to defend here. The thread title doesn't ask about all Nintendo games, but the average (=norm in this context) Nintendo game. The norm for Nintendo games is that they are quality products and some outliers don't change that.

You called half of Nintendo's output garbage, so you have certainly a lot more defending to do than me.

Not sure how take a figure of speech as literal for me and then not apply it to your post as well. Nintendo games get the high MSRP longer and it has nothing to do with the quality of the game. It can be a critical and commericial flop and still remain at its $40/50/60 pricepoint for years. You can say that they're just outliers, but when you have a single good game in 2016, and they all retain high price points, you don't get to dismiss an entire year's worth of output.

Edit: Forgot to look at 3DS, which had far larger output than the 7 or so Wii U games, but even combining them together. Much more below average than good.

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Because Nintendo is the Apple of video game companies. It's the "Don't hold your breath for a price drop" model, and it actually works.



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outlawauron said:
RolStoppable said:

I didn't make a statement that everything Nintendo publishes is of high quality, so I have nothing to defend here. The thread title doesn't ask about all Nintendo games, but the average (=norm in this context) Nintendo game. The norm for Nintendo games is that they are quality products and some outliers don't change that.

You called half of Nintendo's output garbage, so you have certainly a lot more defending to do than me.

Not sure how take a figure of speech as literal for me and then not apply it to your post as well. Nintendo games get the high MSRP longer and it has nothing to do with the quality of the game. It can be a critical and commericial flop and still remain at its $40/50/60 pricepoint for years. You can say that they're just outliers, but when you have a single good game in 2016, and they all retain high price points, you don't get to dismiss an entire year's worth of output.

I did apply the same standard to my post. I answered the thread's question and you made a loose interpretation. I also have to question your figure of speech when you could have used the basic comparative of better and worse half, because I suspect that you really mean it when you say garbage. When you now say that Nintendo had only a single good game in 2016, I see my suspicion justified and confirmed.



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RolStoppable said:
Here are software sales numbers for Wii U, taken from VGC.

Nintendo Top 5

1. Mario Kart 8 - 7.49m
2. New Super Mario Bros. U - 5.47m
3. Super Smash Bros. for Wii U - 5.05m
4. Super Mario 3D World - 4.80m
5. Splatoon - 4.71m

AAA Third Party Top 5

1. FIFA 13 - 0.48m
2. Call of Duty: Black Ops 2 - 0.41m
3. Batman: Arkham City - 0.37m
4. Assassin's Creed 3 - 0.35m
5. Call of Duty: Ghosts - 0.35m

Does that look like third parties could be a threat to the pricing of Nintendo games?

This just gets better lol. So your arguement is that Nintendo titles, on a quality level, outperform the shitty versions of the PS4/XOne titles and sales reflect that? You don't say? Who would have thought?



RolStoppable said:
outlawauron said:

Not sure how take a figure of speech as literal for me and then not apply it to your post as well. Nintendo games get the high MSRP longer and it has nothing to do with the quality of the game. It can be a critical and commericial flop and still remain at its $40/50/60 pricepoint for years. You can say that they're just outliers, but when you have a single good game in 2016, and they all retain high price points, you don't get to dismiss an entire year's worth of output.

I did apply the same standard to my post. I answered the thread's question and you made a loose interpretation. I also have to question your figure of speech when you could have used the basic comparative of better and worse half, because I suspect that you really mean it when you say garbage. When you now say that Nintendo had only a single good game in 2016, I see my suspicion justified and confirmed.

I did edit my post because I was only looking at Wii U games (and the 3DS output was much better in quantity and quality as I said), but even then it's not a good year.



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A_C_E said:

This just gets better lol. So your arguement is that Nintendo titles, on a quality level, outperform the shitty versions of the PS4/XOne titles and sales reflect that? You don't say? Who would have thought?

A few people said that Nintendo would have to be scared of AAA third party games, I responded by saying that Nintendo would easily stay on top, therefore there wouldn't be any effect on the pricing of Nintendo games. I posted the sales data because said people didn't believe me. Afterwards they still doubted that Nintendo could compete with AAA third party games.

outlawauron said:

I did edit my post because I was only looking at Wii U games (and the 3DS output was much better in quantity and quality as I said), but even then it's not a good year.

And? Not every year needs to be best. More importantly, with those additional facts the argument of your previous post has been debunked.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV (360+PS3) would outsell SSBB. I was wrong.

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RolStoppable said:
outlawauron said:

I did edit my post because I was only looking at Wii U games (and the 3DS output was much better in quantity and quality as I said), but even then it's not a good year.

And? Not every year needs to be best. More importantly, with those additional facts the argument of your previous post has been debunked.

You have debunked nothing lol. Bad games published by Nintendo are treated exactly the same in pricing. It's nothing to do with a level of quality, but instead a policy of the publisher. They choose to keep their prices high because they can. Comparing them to Apple in this space is pretty fair imo.



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