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Nem said:
StarDoor said:

Plurality, not majority. Majority is only for proportions above 50%: The Nintendo fanbase here is not a majority.

Not exactly. A majority above 50% is an absolute majority.

I didn't say they are an asbolute majority. If Nintendo fans are 45%, Sony 40% PC10% Other 5%. Nintendo fans are the majority. Majority relates to the greater quantity or share.

This either isn't true, or is yet another illogical part of the english language. The Republicans have a majority in the Senate and House. You don't hear anyone saying it's an absolute majority.

Majority = more than 50%. If you have less than 50%, but still more than others, then it is a system of plurality and you simply have the most. Much like places like Germany or, occassionally, the UK have in their political systems.



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StarDoor said:
Nem said:

Don't confuse me or my country with your lack of an education.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/majority

c :the greater quantity or share

 

I didn't want this to get unfriendly, but you obviously did. It's a perfectly good use of the word.

No native English speaker would ever use the word in that sense when dealing with definite proportions. It's amusing how you chose the C (less common) definition without clear values ("the majority of the time") when I specifically qouted the A (more common) definiton with clear vlaues ("a two-thirds majority").

Even more amusing is your belief that you know the language better than native speakers. That is some ego you have.

I am not very inclined to continue conversation with you. It is your problem that you decided to take it personally.

English words are not yours alone. Many of the words are shared by multiple languages and have similar meanings. Try learning more languages and you'll see.

But, read below if you want to learn.

RolStoppable said:
StarDoor said:

No native English speaker would ever use the word in that sense when dealing with definite proportions. It's amusing how you chose the C (less common) definition without clear values ("the majority of the time") when I specifically qouted the A (more common) definiton with clear vlaues ("a two-thirds majority").

Even more amusing is your belief that you know the language better than native speakers. That is some ego you have.

Definition c reads like a comparison between only two items, so the majority would be above 50% by default.

I don't know how you are reading that but i will explain the logic behind the meaning. But i will explain below.

Dulfite said:
Nem said:

Not exactly. A majority above 50% is an absolute majority.

I didn't say they are an asbolute majority. If Nintendo fans are 45%, Sony 40% PC10% Other 5%. Nintendo fans are the majority. Majority relates to the greater quantity or share.

This either isn't true, or is yet another illogical part of the english language. The Republicans have a majority in the Senate and House. You don't hear anyone saying it's an absolute majority.

Majority = more than 50%. If you have less than 50%, but still more than others, then it is a system of plurality and you simply have the most. Much like places like Germany or, occassionally, the UK have in their political systems.

Indeed, this may be an american issue because you only have 2 parties. So, whoever is up is therefore defaulted to the majority. Theres no need for any more distinctions.

This meaning to the majority word comes from comparing the groups, let's say, so this doesn't get politic.

Take group A 40%

        group B  30%

        group C 20%

       group D  10%

By your common definition there is no majority. But you still need a way to say wich group is bigger. The word majority took that meaning aswell as we saw in alinea c.

How is it a majority when it's less than 50%?

The way it is called a majority it's because it's a majority when comparing the different samples (groups in our case).

Sample A wich is 40%, when compared between them, Is 66% compared to sample C 33% (wich was 20%).

Sample A compared to sample D is 80% to 20%.

This group is the majority compared to every other group and is thus an accepted used of the word. It's a relative majority.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/relative-majority

If you want to say that they are the majority when looking at the universe only, the term for it is absolute majority.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/absolute-majority?s=t

 

So, either use of the word Majority is correct or insuficient in both cases. So, the word took both meanings.

Last edited by Nem - on 31 October 2017

Nem said:
StarDoor said:

No native English speaker would ever use the word in that sense when dealing with definite proportions. It's amusing how you chose the C (less common) definition without clear values ("the majority of the time") when I specifically qouted the A (more common) definiton with clear vlaues ("a two-thirds majority").

Even more amusing is your belief that you know the language better than native speakers. That is some ego you have.

I am not very inclined to continue conversation with you. It is your problem that you decided to take it personally.

English words are not yours alone. Many of the words are shared by multiple languages and have similar meanings. Try learning more languages and you'll see.

But, read below if you want to learn.

RolStoppable said:

Definition c reads like a comparison between only two items, so the majority would be above 50% by default.

I don't know how you reading that but i will explain the logic behind the meaning. But i will explain below.

Dulfite said:

This either isn't true, or is yet another illogical part of the english language. The Republicans have a majority in the Senate and House. You don't hear anyone saying it's an absolute majority.

Majority = more than 50%. If you have less than 50%, but still more than others, then it is a system of plurality and you simply have the most. Much like places like Germany or, occassionally, the UK have in their political systems.

Indeed, this may be an american issue because you only have 2 parties. So, whoever is up is therefore defaulted to the majority. Theres no need for any more distinctions.

This meaning to the majority word comes from comparing the groups, let's say, so this doesn't get politic.

Take group A 40%

        group B  30%

        group C 20%

       group D  10%

By your common definition there is no majority. But you still need a way to say wich sample is bigger. The word majority took that meaning aswell as we saw in alinea c.

How is it a majority when it's less than 50%?

The way it is called a majority it's because it's a majority when comparing the different samples (groups in our case).

Sample A wich is 40% when compared between them Is 66% compared to sample C 33% (wich was 20%).

Sample A compared to sample D is 80% to 20%.

This group is the majority compared to every other group and is thus an accepted used of the word. It's a relative majority.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/relative-majority

If you want to say that they are the majority when looking at the universe the term for it is absolute majority.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/absolute-majority?s=t

 

So, either use of the word Majority is correct or insuficient in both cases. So, the word took both meanings.

I'm not sure why you're accusing me of taking it personally when you were the one who took more offense than I could have possibly imagined from the mere statement of your home country. I think it's reasonable to assume that native speakers have a better grasp on their own language than foreigners. You're the one who decided to start slinging insults by saying that I "lack education".

Moving on from that, in the situation that you are describing, we would say that group A is a plurality, as Dulfite and I have both already said. 

The terms "absolute majority" and "relative majority" are almost never used in the United States because there are more concise alternatives, but people would still have understood your meaning had you just used "relative majority" in the first place. If you merely say that something is a "majority," everyone will assume that you're talking about an absolute majority, because that is how the word is used.

"Relative majority" is interchangeable with "plurality".
"Absolute majority" is interchangeable with "majority".
"Relative majority" is NOT interchangeable with "majority".



StarDoor said:
Nem said:

I am not very inclined to continue conversation with you. It is your problem that you decided to take it personally.

English words are not yours alone. Many of the words are shared by multiple languages and have similar meanings. Try learning more languages and you'll see.

But, read below if you want to learn.

I don't know how you reading that but i will explain the logic behind the meaning. But i will explain below.

Indeed, this may be an american issue because you only have 2 parties. So, whoever is up is therefore defaulted to the majority. Theres no need for any more distinctions.

This meaning to the majority word comes from comparing the groups, let's say, so this doesn't get politic.

Take group A 40%

        group B  30%

        group C 20%

       group D  10%

By your common definition there is no majority. But you still need a way to say wich sample is bigger. The word majority took that meaning aswell as we saw in alinea c.

How is it a majority when it's less than 50%?

The way it is called a majority it's because it's a majority when comparing the different samples (groups in our case).

Sample A wich is 40% when compared between them Is 66% compared to sample C 33% (wich was 20%).

Sample A compared to sample D is 80% to 20%.

This group is the majority compared to every other group and is thus an accepted used of the word. It's a relative majority.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/relative-majority

If you want to say that they are the majority when looking at the universe the term for it is absolute majority.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/absolute-majority?s=t

 

So, either use of the word Majority is correct or insuficient in both cases. So, the word took both meanings.

I'm not sure why you're accusing me of taking it personally when you were the one who took more offense than I could have possibly imagined from the mere statement of your home country. I think it's reasonable to assume that native speakers have a better grasp on their own language than foreigners. You're the one who decided to start slinging insults by saying that I "lack education".

Moving on from that, in the situation that you are describing, we would say that group A is a plurality, as Dulfite and I have both already said. 

The terms "absolute majority" and "relative majority" are almost never used in the United States because there are more concise alternatives, but people would still have understood your meaning had you just used "relative majority" in the first place. If you merely say that something is a "majority," everyone will assume that you're talking about an absolute majority, because that is how the word is used.

"Relative majority" is interchangeable with "plurality".
"Absolute majority" is interchangeable with "majority".
"Relative majority" is NOT interchangeable with "majority".

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Well, you were the one that attacked me by trying to somehow undervalue me or my birth country. Tbh i hardly understand where the idea comes from, unless you really don't know. And again, the word "majority" is not yours alone.

And for the definition. It's there in the dictionary. Majority is an insuficient description, wich is why it works on both cases. You do know that words can have more than one meaning right?

Or you can think you know more than the dictionary and declare your rules. I guess it's your right to believe whatever you want.

And you know, i don't contest that Plurity can be another way to adress it.

But if you look at the definition.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plurality

c :a number of votes cast for a candidate in a contest of more than two candidates that is greater than the number cast for any other candidate but not more than half the total votes cast

 

Its 3c. Theres many other more common meanings for the word.

So, contradiction much?

 

Dude, just leave it. Words have several meanings. Not knowing all of them is not shameful. But beeing arrogant and thinking you do when you don't know  doesn't gain you any respect.

Like from my POV i can admit i used a meaning in a word that many don't seem to be familiar with. I will try to say what i mean in a different way in the future, so it doesn't become this clash again. But, it wasn't wrong.

Last edited by Nem - on 31 October 2017

Nem said:

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Well, you were the one that attacked me by trying to somehow to undervalue me or my birth country. Tbh i hardly understand where the idea comes from, unless you really don't know. And again, the word "majority" is not yours alone.

And for the definition. It's there in the dictionary. Majority is an insuficient description, wich is why it works on both cases. You do know that words can have more than one meaning right?

Or you can think you know more than the dictionary and declare your rules. I guess it's your right to believe whatever you want.

And you know, i don't contest that Plurity can be another way to adress it.

But if you look at the definition.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plurality

c :a number of votes cast for a candidate in a contest of more than two candidates that is greater than the number cast for any other candidate but not more than half the total votes cast

 

Its 3c. Theres many other more common meanings for the word.

So, contradiction much?

 

Dude, just leave it. Words have several meanings. Not knowing all of them is not shameful. But beeing arrogant and thinking you do when you don't know  doesn't gain you any respect.

The question isn't "does the dictionary say it can be used in this way," but "will people understand what I mean if I use it this way," and in the case of "majority," your usage did not communicate the idea that you thought it did. Of the three people who have commented on your usage (me, Rol, and Dulfite), all agreed that "majority" indicates an amount that is greater than half of the total. You can't just use words improperly and then complain about people not understanding. You're the one with the issue here, and you're the one being arrogant because you keep trying to argue that your usage of the word was perfectly valid, even though everyone reading your post would assume that you're talking about an absolute majority because "majority" is a common word in American English that exclusively means "greater than 50%" in everyday usage.

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StarDoor said:
Nem said:

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Well, you were the one that attacked me by trying to somehow to undervalue me or my birth country. Tbh i hardly understand where the idea comes from, unless you really don't know. And again, the word "majority" is not yours alone.

And for the definition. It's there in the dictionary. Majority is an insuficient description, wich is why it works on both cases. You do know that words can have more than one meaning right?

Or you can think you know more than the dictionary and declare your rules. I guess it's your right to believe whatever you want.

And you know, i don't contest that Plurity can be another way to adress it.

But if you look at the definition.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/plurality

c :a number of votes cast for a candidate in a contest of more than two candidates that is greater than the number cast for any other candidate but not more than half the total votes cast

 

Its 3c. Theres many other more common meanings for the word.

So, contradiction much?

 

Dude, just leave it. Words have several meanings. Not knowing all of them is not shameful. But beeing arrogant and thinking you do when you don't know  doesn't gain you any respect.

The question isn't "does the dictionary say it can be used in this way," but "will people understand what I mean if I use it this way," and in the case of "majority," your usage did not communicate the idea that you thought it did. Of the three people who have commented on your usage (me, Rol, and Dulfite), all agreed that "majority" indicates an amount that is greater than half of the total. You can't just use words improperly and then complain about people not understanding. You're the one with the issue here, and you're the one being arrogant because you keep trying to argue that your usage of the word was perfectly valid, even though everyone reading your post would assume that you're talking about an absolute majority because "majority" is a common word in American English that exclusively means "greater than 50%" in everyday usage.

I understand and i had edited my post to say that. I understand now that the meaning with wich i used the term might not be familiar to everyone.

But, i did not use it improperly. It is you that are not familiar with all it's meanings, and again, that is alright, aslong as you don't take an affronting tone and tell me that i am wrong. The word was 100% used correctly.

You don't read a book and when you see a word used in a meaning you don't understand, you don't go: This guy doesn't know what he is talking/writing about. You just recognise that there are more meanings to the word that you weren't familiar with.

Last edited by Nem - on 31 October 2017

Nem said:
StarDoor said:

The question isn't "does the dictionary say it can be used in this way," but "will people understand what I mean if I use it this way," and in the case of "majority," your usage did not communicate the idea that you thought it did. Of the three people who have commented on your usage (me, Rol, and Dulfite), all agreed that "majority" indicates an amount that is greater than half of the total. You can't just use words improperly and then complain about people not understanding. You're the one with the issue here, and you're the one being arrogant because you keep trying to argue that your usage of the word was perfectly valid, even though everyone reading your post would assume that you're talking about an absolute majority because "majority" is a common word in American English that exclusively means "greater than 50%" in everyday usage.

I understand and i had edited my post to say that. I understand now that the meaning with wich i used the term might not be familiar to everyone.

But, i did not use it improperly. It is you that are not familiar with all it's meanings, and again, that is alright, aslong as you don't take an affronting tone and tell me that i am wrong. The word was 100% used correctly.

You don't read a book and when you see a word used in a meaning you don't understand, you don't go: This guy doesn't know what he is talking/writing about. You just recognise that there are more meanings to the word that you weren't familiar with.



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No it's not.

Yes it is. If you have the right tint of glasses, then this, this, this, and this are all Nintendo-related.



 
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