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Fucking amazing. Someone should post this in gaf (assuming they don't care about their account).



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MajorMalfunction said:
Darashiva said:
The whole gamergate thing was such a massive cesspool of idiocy on both sides of the argument that it's no surprise that nothing good ever came out of it. It's just amazing how in an argument that at least supposedly started about ethics in video game journalism became about two equally stupid groups of people trying to see who could yell at the other louder.

So that's why I don't know a goddamn thing about GamerGate. I thought it was about game journalism ethics, which I was on board with, but after that, I have no fucking clue what happened. Can someone explain it to me? I don't know which side I support.

Initially it at least in name was about ethics and transparency in game journalism, but because it initially started from a situation involving a woman working in the industry, you can guess the kind of crowd it attracted. People began attacking female developers regardless of whether they had anything to do with the original situation or not. However, this then drew in the other extreme, which began attacking everyone on the other side, even those people who might have wanted to get something good out of this situation still calling themselves part of the gamergate movement. What was originally about ethics turned into a shit-flinging contest between misogynists and feminists.

Ultimately the whole gamergate debacle ended up as it did because it was taken over by two groups of people holding the opposite extreme views, leaving everyone in the middle powerless to do anything about it. Once the whole thing was taken over by idiots, most people just distanced themselves from the movement entirely so as to not get dragged in with the stupidity. There are certainly other things that happened, but that's the simple explanation at least.



Darashiva said:
MajorMalfunction said:

So that's why I don't know a goddamn thing about GamerGate. I thought it was about game journalism ethics, which I was on board with, but after that, I have no fucking clue what happened. Can someone explain it to me? I don't know which side I support.

Initially it at least in name was about ethics and transparency in game journalism, but because it initially started from a situation involving a woman working in the industry, you can guess the kind of crowd it attracted. People began attacking female developers regardless of whether they had anything to do with the original situation or not. However, this then drew in the other extreme, which began attacking everyone on the other side, even those people who might have wanted to get something good out of this situation still calling themselves part of the gamergate movement. What was originally about ethics turned into a shit-flinging contest between misogynists and feminists.

Ultimately the whole gamergate debacle ended up as it did because it was taken over by two groups of people holding the opposite extreme views, leaving everyone in the middle powerless to do anything about it. Once the whole thing was taken over by idiots, most people just distanced themselves from the movement entirely so as to not get dragged in with the stupidity. There are certainly other things that happened, but that's the simple explanation at least.

Thank you. I can't identify with either side in that case. It's too bad that morons took over an issue that the game's industry has had for years. Random tidbit about me: my favorite game journalist is Jason Schreier. He's so good at what he does.



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Am I crazy or do they mostly look strangely similar? Three or four of them are damn near identical lol



Nem said:
Honestly... with all the gambling issues with lootboxes, rigged matchmaking and the push towards always online and no more single player games, this issue is petty. I don't give a s**t. This is not what we should be talking about.

Well, maybe if we oust those fake journalists to whom everything is racist/sexist and refuse to use the term gameplay, maybe then we would have media focusing on those real issues facing gaming.

Also, should we not be talking about creeps being the guiding voice of our hobby?



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Darashiva said:
MajorMalfunction said:

So that's why I don't know a goddamn thing about GamerGate. I thought it was about game journalism ethics, which I was on board with, but after that, I have no fucking clue what happened. Can someone explain it to me? I don't know which side I support.

Initially it at least in name was about ethics and transparency in game journalism, but because it initially started from a situation involving a woman working in the industry, you can guess the kind of crowd it attracted. People began attacking female developers regardless of whether they had anything to do with the original situation or not. However, this then drew in the other extreme, which began attacking everyone on the other side, even those people who might have wanted to get something good out of this situation still calling themselves part of the gamergate movement. What was originally about ethics turned into a shit-flinging contest between misogynists and feminists.

Ultimately the whole gamergate debacle ended up as it did because it was taken over by two groups of people holding the opposite extreme views, leaving everyone in the middle powerless to do anything about it. Once the whole thing was taken over by idiots, most people just distanced themselves from the movement entirely so as to not get dragged in with the stupidity. There are certainly other things that happened, but that's the simple explanation at least.

Is that first part true though? Maybe because gamergaters have no platform, unlike the anti-gamergaters, but all I've seen from this whole debacle are anti-GG bashing gamers. As far as I am aware, GG was just a handful of people.



Lawlight said:
Darashiva said:

Initially it at least in name was about ethics and transparency in game journalism, but because it initially started from a situation involving a woman working in the industry, you can guess the kind of crowd it attracted. People began attacking female developers regardless of whether they had anything to do with the original situation or not. However, this then drew in the other extreme, which began attacking everyone on the other side, even those people who might have wanted to get something good out of this situation still calling themselves part of the gamergate movement. What was originally about ethics turned into a shit-flinging contest between misogynists and feminists.

Ultimately the whole gamergate debacle ended up as it did because it was taken over by two groups of people holding the opposite extreme views, leaving everyone in the middle powerless to do anything about it. Once the whole thing was taken over by idiots, most people just distanced themselves from the movement entirely so as to not get dragged in with the stupidity. There are certainly other things that happened, but that's the simple explanation at least.

Is that first part true though? Maybe because gamergaters have no platform, unlike the anti-gamergaters, but all I've seen from this whole debacle are anti-GG bashing gamers. As far as I am aware, GG was just a handful of people.

They have Sargon of Akkad's comments section.



Lawlight said:
Nem said:
Honestly... with all the gambling issues with lootboxes, rigged matchmaking and the push towards always online and no more single player games, this issue is petty. I don't give a s**t. This is not what we should be talking about.

Well, maybe if we oust those fake journalists to whom everything is racist/sexist and refuse to use the term gameplay, maybe then we would have media focusing on those real issues facing gaming.

Also, should we not be talking about creeps being the guiding voice of our hobby?

They aren't.

Us all here, talking, commenting in forums, on twitter, on youtube, reaching out to governments to regulate this toxic market and hopefully voting with our wallets aswell are.

I don't review myself on journalists. Our collective voice is stronger than theirs.



Nem said:
Lawlight said:

Well, maybe if we oust those fake journalists to whom everything is racist/sexist and refuse to use the term gameplay, maybe then we would have media focusing on those real issues facing gaming.

Also, should we not be talking about creeps being the guiding voice of our hobby?

They aren't.

Us all here, talking, commenting in forums, on twitter, on youtube, reaching out to governments to regulate this toxic market and hopefully voting with our wallets aswell are.

I don't review myself on journalists. Our collective voice is stronger than theirs.

I don't know if that's true though - that our collectiv voice is stronger than theirs. The big companies - they live in a bubble, in an echochamber. And I don't know if the market will weed them out. 

On topic, another one in the casket:

Vox's Editorial Director fired for sexual misconduct -



Fuck me, yet another one: