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o_O.Q on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
o_O.Q said:

 

yes i misread what you posted and i edited my post to reflect that

 

"According to the National Research council, 80% of all sexual assaults are unreported to authorities."

 

if they are unreported how is this organisation able to form this statistic?

Surveys, interviews, non-authoritative reports, medical documents, etc....

 

so... they are reported then... just not to the authorities who are actually in a position to do something about these reports

 

secondly there really is not a way therefore ( since they are self reported ) to verify the validity of the claims to begin with

 

and the point i'm trying to make is this - in these matters it all has to come down to evidence and the reporting of that evidence 

 

sure as a consequence many cases will slip through the cracks because the nature of these incidents is that they generally happen in 1 on 1 settings in private, but that is the reality of living in a free society where people are free to make whatever choices they want to do



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o_O.Q on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
o_O.Q said:

 

so... they are reported then... just not to the authorities who are actually in a position to do something about these reports

 

secondly there really is not a way therefore ( since they are self reported ) to verify the validity of the claims to begin with

 

and the point i'm trying to make is this - in these matters it all has to come down to evidence and the reporting of that evidence 

 

sure as a consequence many cases will slip through the cracks because the nature of these incidents is that they generally happen in 1 on 1 settings in private, but that is the reality of living in a free society where people are free to make whatever choices they want to do

Rape and sexual assault are the price of living in a free society?  I think we are done here.

 

instead of getting emotional, can you suggest a tangible solution to the problem of people having the capacity for evil and having the wherewithal to act on evil impulses?

communism (reducing freedom of choice dramatically) seems to be the most common answer people have been pushing (whether they realise it consciously or not)

 

it is risk and danger that are the price of living in a free society, you can throw all of that way for security, but the price you must pay is to give away your freedom of privacy, individuality etc etc etc

 

both choices suck, but personally i'd rather have more freedom to shape my destiiny and i think most people would too but they are unwilling to endure the risk and danger that comes along with it



potato_hamster on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
potato_hamster said:

So a rate between 2% and 10% are demonstrably false. What's the conviction rate? According to RAINN, it's about 1%. For the other 80-95% of cases that aren't demonstrably false or in a sense, "demonstrably true" as that is what a conviction should show, we actually do not know if the alleged sexual assault actually happened. But here you are assuming that in every case an alleged sexual assault is that isn't demonstrably false is true.

And how is this for a way to spin the numbers? Of the cases where we have extreme amounts of confidence over whether the sexual assault did occur, according to your own numbers, it's twice to ten times more likely the accusation is false.

Just food for thought.

Are you aware of the sexual assault case backlog?  Conviction rates are low because rape kits are insanely backlogged.  The US Department of Justice says there are over 400,000 untested rape kits.  Hard to convict if you don't even bother.

There is some food for thought for you.

I know about the rape kit backlog, but again, you're acting like in all of those cases, we should treat them as if sexual assault legitimately occured, and that conviction rates would be higher if they were processed. That's an assumption. I'm simply speaking of the cases where we know the definitive answer.



o_O.Q on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
o_O.Q said:

 

instead of getting emotional, can you suggest a tangible solution to the problem of people having the capacity for evil and having the wherewithal to act on evil impulses?

communism (reducing freedom of choice dramatically) seems to be the most common answer people have been pushing (whether they realise it consciously or not)

We can start by actually testing the 400,000 rape kit backlog and prosecuting those convicted.

Further, convictions should be severe. A slap on the wrist for a rapist sends no message to other rapists but it does tell women they are devalued in the eyes of the law and the nation.   Imagine getting raped, reporting it but with everyone looking at you skeptically, your kit gets on the 400,000 case backlog, it takes years of reliving the rape before it finally goes to trial, then the rapist gets 6 months.

Make that kind of violation severe, reduce the backlog so the trials happen in reasonable time, send a national message to women that they matter and you'll get less assaults.

Solutions exist.  We, as a nation, simply don't give a damn enough to implement them.

 

"Make that kind of violation severe, reduce the backlog so the trials happen in reasonable time, send a national message to women that they matter and you'll get less assaults."

 

well good, those are solutions... whether the amounts of rape that happen will drop or not is another thing though



DonFerrari on 16 October 2017

Hope he have evidence to prove his point and bring the guilty to the authorities.



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potato_hamster on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
o_O.Q said:

 

instead of getting emotional, can you suggest a tangible solution to the problem of people having the capacity for evil and having the wherewithal to act on evil impulses?

communism (reducing freedom of choice dramatically) seems to be the most common answer people have been pushing (whether they realise it consciously or not)

We can start by actually testing the 400,000 rape kit backlog and prosecuting those convicted.

Further, convictions should be severe. A slap on the wrist for a rapist sends no message to other rapists but it does tell women they are devalued in the eyes of the law and the nation.   Imagine getting raped, reporting it but with everyone looking at you skeptically, your kit gets on the 400,000 case backlog, it takes years of reliving the rape before it finally goes to trial, then the rapist gets 6 months.

Make that kind of violation severe, reduce the backlog so the trials happen in reasonable time, send a national message to women that they matter and you'll get less assaults.

Solutions exist.  We, as a nation, simply don't give a damn enough to implement them.

Hold up. Why are you gendering this issue?



potato_hamster on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
potato_hamster said:

Hold up. Why are you gendering this issue?

Scroll up one post.  Read that one.

I Read it. So again. why are you gendering this issue?



potato_hamster on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:

We can start by actually testing the 400,000 rape kit backlog and prosecuting those convicted.

Further, convictions should be severe. A slap on the wrist for a rapist sends no message to other rapists but it does tell women they are devalued in the eyes of the law and the nation.   Imagine getting raped, reporting it but with everyone looking at you skeptically, your kit gets on the 400,000 case backlog, it takes years of reliving the rape before it finally goes to trial, then the rapist gets 6 months.

Make that kind of violation severe, reduce the backlog so the trials happen in reasonable time, send a national message to women that they matter and you'll get less assaults.

Solutions exist.  We, as a nation, simply don't give a damn enough to implement them.

Did you miss this?



potato_hamster on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
potato_hamster said:

Did you miss this?

Now ask yourself why I added "men" later.  Do you think maybe I needed to open the message more?  If my message was women only and was only gendering the issue, why would I add "men"? Hmmmm? 

Because you done messed up.



potato_hamster on 16 October 2017
SpokenTruth said:
potato_hamster said:

Because you done messed up.

So I'm trying to not gender the issue and you want to be captious about it?  How does that help the situation?

My apologies, I was just trying to bring a bit of humour to an honest mistake that you corrected on your own, making my comment about it totally unncessary.

Sorry about that.