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I think the 'no gamez' argument isn't really a compelling one. Time and again it's been proven that consumers don't care about exclusives only. Otherwise the One S would've failed spectacularly. There is a market for those that want the option to play the best possible version of games on consoles, and One X will deliver that.

I don't see it being a massive success, but I do see it selling better than the Pro due to several factors. The obvious one being that the jump from the Xbox One to One X is pretty substantial compared to PS4 to Pro and the PS4 line of systems are no longer the definitive consoles for multiplatform games. It makes sense why MS have been blatantly calling it the 'most powerful console'. A huge chunk of PS4 sales come from those that bought a 360 last gen and then bought a PS4, specifically because these consoles played the majority of multiplatform games significantly better in their respective console generation compared to other consoles.

It might not be enough for Xbox's overall sales to catch up to PS's, but it will put them in a much better spot, I think.



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FallingTitan said:

I like to have the best experience 4k curved tv, hi res sound. *yes its called hi res* dolby atmos lol so even for 3rd party games I want the x1x for my eyes to be in constant orgasm!!

Oh it's called hi-res sound now. I had a demonstration DVD when that just came out with lossles 96khz music, sounded great, that's getting close to 20 years ago. Btw if you love good quality sound, get Akira 25th anniversary edition. The 192khz/24bit Dolby TrueHD soundtrack is phenomenal. (runs close to 6mbps for sound alone) Dolby atmos is pedestrian 48khz though.

I doubt consoles will take advantage of hi res audio. The ps3 already supported upto 7.1 192/24 audio, not a single game until now has gone beyond the standard 48khz and still use lossy compressed samples.

I looked up hi-res audio, what a mess of fragmented services and formats. I'm more into movie sound, it's a shame 4K blu-ray still has the exact same audio as standard blu-ray. Still waiting on that 96khz to become standard. The first amp I bought that supported 96khz is actually 20 years old already :/



I'm not sure how much the XB1X will expand the userbase. Seems like people who already own a regular XB1 are mostly the ones interested in it.



I think people will argue about if Xbox One X or Switch will sell more this holiday, meanwhile Playstation will continue to sell the most of all by a large margin.



UltimateGamer1982 said:
Xbox one s bundles coming soon at $279 vs the X with no game at $500. Only a small minority will buy the X. After that sales will drop off and go back to normal.

Here it's currently CAD 350 XBox One S with a game, CAD 600 for XBox One X without a game, CAD 250 premium
While it's CAD 380 for ps4 plus game, vs CAD 500 for ps4 pro without. CAD 120 premium, sells at a 1/5th ratio.

The upgrade to One X is more than twice as expensive as the upgrade to ps4 pro.
Plus the XBox One S is already marketed as a 4K UHD device with HDR gaming. (not mentioned for the ps4 which also supports hdr)

Beyond the core crowd I doubt many will be tempted to pay almost twice as much (if you add the game, CAD 80 here)
Yet perhaps MS didn't expect it to sell beyond the core crowd anyway, so might as well milk them :)



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NATO said:
The fact that the PS4 pro, even before the Xbox One X announcement, wasn't exactly flying off of shelves should tell you all you need to know.

Even now the Pro is selling better than the XBX preorders, it has being like this since a while, and the XBX is going to be released in less than a month. That's not a good sign.

Current ranks a bestbuy:

5 - PS4 $299

18 - Pro $399

28 - XBX $499

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?nrp=15&cp=1&seeAll=&browsedCategory=abcat0700000&qp=&ks=960&sp=-bestsellingsort%20skuidsaas&sc=Global&list=y&usc=All%20Categories&type=page&id=pcat17071&iht=n&st=categoryid%24abcat0700000&lid=Products:%20All%20New%20Releases



globalisateur said:
NATO said:
The fact that the PS4 pro, even before the Xbox One X announcement, wasn't exactly flying off of shelves should tell you all you need to know.

Even now the Pro is selling better than the XBX preorders, it has being like this since a while, and the XBX is going to be released in less than a month. That's not a good sign.

Current ranks a bestbuy:

5 - PS4 $299

18 - Pro $399

28 - XBX $499

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?nrp=15&cp=1&seeAll=&browsedCategory=abcat0700000&qp=&ks=960&sp=-bestsellingsort%20skuidsaas&sc=Global&list=y&usc=All%20Categories&type=page&id=pcat17071&iht=n&st=categoryid%24abcat0700000&lid=Products:%20All%20New%20Releases

Exactly, I see people using the excuse of it just being hate, but the reality is, many people are perfectly happy with the standard consoles, if people cared so much about higher spec the pro wouldn't be behind as much, clearly the $100 price difference is a big stumbling block, so why people think a $200+ difference won't be even more of a stumbling block i dont know.

 

It will have moderately decent numbers for the first month or two then drop back down, despite the US market share, the xbox brand just doesn't have the global appeal as the switch and ps4



globalisateur said:
NATO said:
The fact that the PS4 pro, even before the Xbox One X announcement, wasn't exactly flying off of shelves should tell you all you need to know.

Even now the Pro is selling better than the XBX preorders, it has being like this since a while, and the XBX is going to be released in less than a month. That's not a good sign.

Current ranks a bestbuy:

5 - PS4 $299

18 - Pro $399

28 - XBX $499

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?nrp=15&cp=1&seeAll=&browsedCategory=abcat0700000&qp=&ks=960&sp=-bestsellingsort%20skuidsaas&sc=Global&list=y&usc=All%20Categories&type=page&id=pcat17071&iht=n&st=categoryid%24abcat0700000&lid=Products:%20All%20New%20Releases

Well for the month of September on amazon, it placed at #20. Well above PS4/Ps4pro. It’s currently sold out on amazon. I’d say it’s doing pretty well. 

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2017-09/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_videogames_pg_3?ie=UTF8&pg=1



gcwy said:

I think the 'no gamez' argument isn't really a compelling one. Time and again it's been proven that consumers don't care about exclusives only. Otherwise the One S would've failed spectacularly. There is a market for those that want the option to play the best possible version of games on consoles, and One X will deliver that.

Depends.
Without a doubt the Xbox  360 would not have been as successfull as it was if it wasn't for a few key exclusives.
Namely Halo 3 and Gears of War... Which were the talk of the gaming industry even a year after their release... This was also during the time when Microsoft had the RROD PR disaster on their hands as well.

sethnintendo said:

Yet they are gradually moving themselves to PC only.  We all know consoles these days are just cheap PCs.  I see no future for Micorosoft in the conosle market.  They already confirmed that with how much dedication they showed with publishing games for their consoles.  They showed as much support as Sony showed with the Vita.

If you think Microsoft is ever going to be relevent in the PC gaming market... Then you haven't been paying attention for the last 20 years.
They aren't going to abandon Xbox when they are unable to make any kind of movement in the PC space.

SvennoJ said:

Oh it's called hi-res sound now. I had a demonstration DVD when that just came out with lossles 96khz music, sounded great, that's getting close to 20 years ago. Btw if you love good quality sound, get Akira 25th anniversary edition. The 192khz/24bit Dolby TrueHD soundtrack is phenomenal. (runs close to 6mbps for sound alone) Dolby atmos is pedestrian 48khz though.

I doubt consoles will take advantage of hi res audio. The ps3 already supported upto 7.1 192/24 audio, not a single game until now has gone beyond the standard 48khz and still use lossy compressed samples.

I looked up hi-res audio, what a mess of fragmented services and formats. I'm more into movie sound, it's a shame 4K blu-ray still has the exact same audio as standard blu-ray. Still waiting on that 96khz to become standard. The first amp I bought that supported 96khz is actually 20 years old already :/

My AMP supports 192khz @ 48bit.
How much of that is marketing fluff, no idea.

The Original Xbox actually had super beastly Audio capabilities for the time, 48khz, 5.1 3D positional and a ton of Audio effects all done on the hardware audio block... Could be argued that the Xbox 360 was actually a regression in many aspects to it's Audio implementation.
Once nVidia abandoned Soundstorm (That the original Xbox uses) and Creative demolished Aureal A3D it seemed like Audio stagntated for the longest time.

Next gen consoles we might see a significant jump as physics based audio might become a thing, keen to see that transition, Audio has been neglected for a long time, not just in the console space, but PC as well.




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gcwy said:

I think the 'no gamez' argument isn't really a compelling one. Time and again it's been proven that consumers don't care about exclusives only. Otherwise the One S would've failed spectacularly. There is a market for those that want the option to play the best possible version of games on consoles, and One X will deliver that.

Depends.
Without a doubt the Xbox  360 would not have been as successfull as it was if it wasn't for a few key exclusives.
Namely Halo 3 and Gears of War... Which were the talk of the gaming industry even a year after their release... This was also during the time when Microsoft had the RROD PR disaster on their hands as well.

Absolutely. I never said exclusives don't matter. But I do think, however, that the One X makes up for it in other areas enough to attract buyers.