While I don't know how it works in Austria, I damn well know how unemploment benefits work in other countries, you sure as hell don't get any if you don't at least get out 1-2 times a month.

That in itself is not sufficient for integration, but then I suggested earlier, stuff like mandatory language classes or other integration programmes! But oh no, that's pure xenophobia! We can't require anything of the people who move here, it's xenophobia! They should just have unconditional access to all velfare, otherwise it's xenophobia and racist and ignorant and naive and all the other bad words you throw at people who have a different opinion than you!

That's an ugly, ugly thing to say to another person! Would you say that to someone in person? I never said I disliked anybody. I have muslim friends that are really close to me! They respect that I have opinions that are different than theirs. Reading stuff like that legitimately hurts me a lot.

You have made zero effort to try to understand why someone would have a different opinion than you on the burqa matter. Instead you have called a huge part of the people of your society xenophobes or other bad words and your politicians for people who pander to xenophobes.

Thanks for ruining my evening.

I'm a little shocked by your behavior RolStoppable. I usually agree with your comments on these boards (I don't often comment myself, I mostly read), you seem like a reasonable person. You care a lot about muslim peoples rights, which I respect a lot.

There are a couple of things that I disagree with you about, like this burqa issue.

That last comment though, man! That's really not a nice thing to write to a person. I'm absolutely honest when I say that really hurt me to read. Wouldn't it be nicer if people could have an argument without throwing such a personal attack?

I addressed the Austrian burqa issue, and espressed my thoughts on that and about the idea of burqa ban in general. I admit I might have went a little to far away from the core topic, but that's because those things are connected in my mind, there are links between the problems imo. I apologise for going too far away from the topic at hand.

I don't think that justifies a personal attack like that though.

Young ethnic Austrians are only a decade away from being a minority in their own country, and yet the OP describes his people as being xenophobic.

It's a sick Europe we live in.

Almost makes you wish the Führer had won the war.

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Yeah Canada has the buraa ban on transport and same to cover it they have added other things. It's so damn ridiculous like if a terrorist or anyone dangerous is looking to attack you, why would he/she bring attention to himself/herself? They would probably be the most Canadian acting group in the bunch wouldn't they unless they are complete morons on top of being completely loony 

Really? You would accuse Muslim nations like KSA of being "oppressive" if they ban other articles of clothing for women(KSA is oppressive for various other reasons far greater than this and I don't promote banning of any article of clothing) but when you ban it it suddenly becomes "progressive". I don't understand the logic women can be as nude as they want but not as covered as they want? Like is this some weird western males reverse psychology where they are tricking their women into thinking they want to be as close to nude as possible so that they can jerk off to them or something? And traditional European clothing of many places have women wearing some sort of hat or clothing covering their hair so even in a traditional European sense it does not make sense? If you think banning any article of clothing is good then you damn sure should be supportive of KSA's laws to ban other articles of clothing other than buraa or else you are one of the biggest hypocrites I have seen

I don't care if I get banned screw you and your "better" way of living. Same European bullshit that caused the majority of problems we have today thinking they are superior. You think women covered are being oppressed somehow and nude actresses in Hollywood are not? Is there a linear relationship between nudeness and less oppression with a negative slope? You can do your job interact well with others be a role model be independent integrate into any society with or without the buraa this has nothing to do with integration this will only stunt the integration. Why don't you ban hats while you're at it or what the Sikhs wear or the turbans that people from the middle East wear next. 

We don't accept religiously justified female oppression we accept legally justified female oppression. Who are you to decide what cloth is oppressive. I can damn well choose to wear a jacket in summer covered in scarfs it's none of your concern. Forcing people to wear or not to wear something is still oppression. It doesn't work the way you think. If the woman has a choice always had a choice no one forced her not her parents nor spouse not anyone and she still CHOOSES to wear a burqa then there is nothing oppressive about it. What's oppressive is if she wants to wear one but the law prohibits it. It's one of the most ridiculous pieces of legislation to come out of any country. You have no problems with atheists and christians raping people in Hollywood you are more concerned about what a woman CHOOSES to wear in Europe. Oh I am Jewish and I am so oppressed I have to wear a hat. Guess what not all Muslim women in Pakistan wear a burqa let alone anywhere on Europe. That alone should tell you something. People wear all sorts of things as long as the law allows it and full on nudity is something else but other than that if KSA lifts the ban today, you will see many women wear what they want. Hell some still do and sometimes they are caught and sometimes they are not. Integrating into society doesn't mean you throw your ideals and culture away. It means you embrace the good of both sides and things that don't clash with your ideals and culture. If they clash too much then you probably should just leave the place but last time I checked covering your head with a piece of clothing doesn't clash with any culture. No where does it say people should not wear hats for example. Nuns wear basically the same thing Muslim women do. That is another good question are nuns banned from wearing their clothes?

I'm saying this as a joke but man if you only eat halal, nothing is more stricter than living in a non Muslim country so limited in options. But you are right Muslim nations are needlessly too strict. It's because our right propaganda artists won and yours lost but are gaining ground again. Centre is the way to go and that would be ideal for all nations of the world. Left being dangerous as an example in California giving someone give knowingly in full consciousness is not a felony. So you could destroy multiple people's lives and get a slap on the wrist for it