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Machiavellian said:
VGPolyglot said:

Maybe instead of trying to mitigate the symptom as the main goal (i.e. having people commit mass murder with other weapons instead of guns), we should try to understand why people are driven to commit such heinous acts in the first place, and try to approach the situation from that angle? To try to stop the attempt from even happening.

Kind of hard to figure out why they do what they do when they never live to tell their story.  If anything they are not looking to tell their story as they want to go down in a blaze of bullets.

America is way pass gun control.  There is only 2 ways to do it.  No guns period or just leave it as is or everyone should just be packing, from your middle to high school students, teachers, McDonald worker you name it.  Turn back to the wild wild west and let GOD sort them out later.

I prefer the latter. 



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Superman4 said:
Machiavellian said:

Kind of hard to figure out why they do what they do when they never live to tell their story.  If anything they are not looking to tell their story as they want to go down in a blaze of bullets.

America is way pass gun control.  There is only 2 ways to do it.  No guns period or just leave it as is or everyone should just be packing, from your middle to high school students, teachers, McDonald worker you name it.  Turn back to the wild wild west and let GOD sort them out later.

I prefer the latter. 

Then mass killings will be the norm.  



CosmicSex said:
sc94597 said:

What do you propose would have prevented this? I am only guessing based on what I heard, but it sounded like the guy had a fully-automatic weapon. These are illegal/inaccessible for the overwhelming majority of Americans, and require extensive (6 month long) background checks. They also cost tens of thousands of dollars. 

Furthermore, any automatic weapons produced after 1986 are illegal to own by civilians, and can only be manufactured for military purposes. 

Are you trying to defend him or attack me for wanting something to be done.  Nothing that you said changes the fact that people are dead.  I would have real laws to go after and track illegal weapons.  Obviously it wasn't hard for him to find right? What is actually wrong with you?  Gun control isn't about taking everyone's guns. It's about control and we have none right bone.  I am sick of the 'Oh well' mentality. 

All I did was ask a question. What type of gun control you think we are lacking that could have prevented this is a perfectly legitimate question, when called upon to form new laws, is it not? 

Who knows how hard it was for him to find. He could've been planning this for months now, and it took that long to get the illegal gun. 

"Real laws to go after and track illegal weapons" is vague. 

Nothing that you said changes the fact that people are dead either. Which is why I inquired on how that fact could've been prevented. 

It wasn't an "oh well" mentality, it was questioning you on specific policy proposals, because you want action to take place. Well, "what sort of action?" was my question. Reactions like yours are why pro-gun rights people exited the legislative debate long ago. The demand is for "something" to be done, without specifying a specific something that would've changed the conditions on which this were possible. 



ArchangelMadzz said:
Mr Puggsly said:

There is validity to that argument, but again the real issue is why did this person do a mass killing? What was his motivation?

Hence, you don't need a gun to commit a mass killing.

I challenge anyone to kill 50 people in a crowd with a knife. Heck even with a pistol that would be difficult. 

There's no reason why someone needs an assault rifle for protection. 

Not that I don't agree about assault rifles having no place in civilian hands, but already forgotten about the Nice truck attack? 86 dead, 458 wounded. There are a lot more mass shootings though, but if you really want to kill a lot of people guns aren't the most efficient.

Now why does the US produce so many lunatics that think it's ok to kill a bunch of people...



 

CosmicSex said:
sc94597 said:

What do you propose would have prevented this? I am only guessing based on what I heard, but it sounded like the guy had a fully-automatic weapon. These are illegal/inaccessible for the overwhelming majority of Americans, and require extensive (6 month long) background checks. They also cost tens of thousands of dollars. 

Furthermore, any automatic weapons produced after 1986 are illegal to own by civilians, and can only be manufactured for military purposes. 

Are you trying to defend him or attack me for wanting something to be done.  Nothing that you said changes the fact that people are dead.  I would have real laws to go after and track illegal weapons.  Obviously it wasn't hard for him to find right? What is actually wrong with you?  Gun control isn't about taking everyone's guns. It's about control and we have none right bone.  I am sick of the 'Oh well' mentality. 

May I ask what laws would have prevented this from happening?

What on record was wrong with this guy beyond I hear some form of Autism? Should all Autistic people be banned from guns? What about terrorist list? Did you know that some congressmen were on teh terrorist list. I'm all for a good ban list of people, but I'm not sure I trust how and who gets put on that list.

For instance, did you know that in 13 states you get put on the sex offender list for peeing in public. Lets say we prevent all sex offenders from owning a gun. That makes sense and seems common sense when said aloud right? Yet my first sentence shows that something as innocent as someone peeing outside could put them on the list.



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SvennoJ said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

I challenge anyone to kill 50 people in a crowd with a knife. Heck even with a pistol that would be difficult. 

There's no reason why someone needs an assault rifle for protection. 

Not that I don't agree about assault rifles having no place in civilian hands, but already forgotten about the Nice truck attack? 86 dead, 458 wounded. There are a lot more mass shootings though, but if you really want to kill a lot of people guns aren't the most efficient.

Now why does the US produce so many lunatics that think it's ok to kill a bunch of people...

Well for one, we have a LOT more people than most other places.

Then there is the whole First World problems. Take yourself and many others? What is there in your daily life to be worried about? You work, pay your bills and put food on the table for you and your family. Life is easy. There are no real troubles.

Thus you can look elsewhere to find some enemy if you want. Whether its Russia, North Korea, Blacks, Whites, whatever. You are told someone to hate by someone, whether its a racists friend at work, or the media. And look how polarizing the US has become. Listening to the news a mentally disturbed person could easily think that they are some sort of hero is they kill a bunch of democrats or republicans depending on who they are listening to.

If the world was full of just you and I, there woudl be no need for many laws, such as murder cause we jus twoudl never do it. Only reason I woudl ever murder someone is in some sort of self defense or protection fo my family. And even then I'm just sayign I woudl, in the actual situation who knows if I actually could. But considering the world woudl be full of just you and me, and neither of us would ever be murdering anyone, that situation woudl never come up. But the world is not full of us. There are messed up people in this world. No amount of wishing/praying/ect is going to change that. World Peace is an unacheivable goal.



sc94597 said:
CosmicSex said:

Are you trying to defend him or attack me for wanting something to be done.  Nothing that you said changes the fact that people are dead.  I would have real laws to go after and track illegal weapons.  Obviously it wasn't hard for him to find right? What is actually wrong with you?  Gun control isn't about taking everyone's guns. It's about control and we have none right bone.  I am sick of the 'Oh well' mentality. 

All I did was ask a question. What type of gun control you think we are lacking that could have prevented this is a perfectly legitimate question, when called upon to form new laws, is it not? 

Who knows how hard it was for him to find. He could've been planning this for months now, and it took that long to get the illegal gun. 

"Real laws to go after and track illegal weapons" is vague. 

Nothing that you said changes the fact that people are dead either. Which is why I inquired on how that fact could've been prevented. 

It wasn't an "oh well" mentality, it was questioning you on specific policy proposals, because you want action to take place. Well, "what sort of action?" was my question. Reactions like yours are why pro-gun rights people exited the legislative debate long ago. The demand is for "something" to be done, without specifying a specific something that would've changed the conditions on which this were possible. 

Oh, well first we need somthing to weed out insane people from owning a firearm.  Like that is top priority. 

Next if this guy was able to get military  grade weapons, then the supplier should be charged with treason and we need to get them off the streets.  I'm In the city, cash rewards were used to turn over illegal guns no questions asked.

Third, and this goes without saying but high traffic areas need to have systems in place to detect guns.  People need to be able to go to concerts with worried about crazy people with itchy fingers.

Gun ownership like driver license ownership should be considered a privilege not a right and safety must be put first.  Let sellers know that if they sell someone a gun and then they kill someone and you didn't check their background, you also broke the law.  I can sell you are car as a dealer if you aren't licenced.

 

Andwhats wrong with classes to teach people gun safety and making it required as an owner?

 

Oh and I am all for search and seizure of illegal weapons.



So apparently his father was a bank robber.

 

Also apparently they were warned before it happened.



collint0101 said:
VGPolyglot said:

I don't understand this. Instead of wishing for the person to be of a certain race, we should try to remove prejudices that perpetuate racial issues in the first place.

As fucked up as it may sound America treats shootings like this differently depending on the shooters race. Think about how trump would have reacted if this was a radical Muslim and then think about how that would further radicalize his base. If it's 1 white guy then it's a lone psychopath some random nut case but if he was from Pakistan then then United States would be under attack by radical Islam which would lead to more fear, paranoia, hate crimes ect. Either way no problems are solved but 1 causes more problems than the other. 

Yeah people are fucking idiots

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/WillBWilmot/status/914920534244188162

 

Paul joseph watson is already posting conspiracies about how he's actually linked to ISIS. It's hilarious how when someone casually mentions gun RESTRICTIONS, they throw a hissy fit about martial law or whatever. However, I guarantee you if it was a Muslim the shitstorm would last for quite some time. I'm sure Trump would tweet about it as much as he tweeted about people taking a fucking knee.

 

Overall I just wished we could discuss an event without going 'hurr durr muzlems at it again' or 'liberals just want our gunz'. It's idiotic and retarded.



irstupid said:
Mr Puggsly said:

As I said before, I kinda doubt he hit 450 people. Many of those injuries could be people getting hurt while fleeing.

Also, it wasn't a weapon per se. It was over 10 rifles. Incase people the impression he did this with one gun.

Yea I heard on radio this morning an interiew with some securty guard and he mentioned seeing people trampled, ect. So yea the 400 injured or whatever is not purely by bullets.

But gun laws is just a bandaid to the problem. The real problem is terrorism, mentally troubled, racists, far-right/left political, ect. You need to fix those or else mass murders will always happen.

Hell, the guy could have been throwing molatav coktails from his window and done massive damage, and we can all agree that aquiring the resources for thso woudl be insanely easy anywhere, let alone vegas. Would anyone in a hotel bat an eye seeing someone taking say 50 bottles of liquor to his room. No, especially in vegas.

But the guy didn't have molotov cocktails now did he? He had 10 rifles, why? Because they are easily accesible and have a specific purpose. Remove those and he would have to go to greater lengths to do what he did.