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Lawlight said:

 

Green098 said:

Please try and make a good argument against my statement instead please. Infact I'll do it for you since I find it fun to discuss all kinds of stuff.

There are benefits over Switch when it comes to buying indie games on steam for example; you can have all your games in the one place and can play them on pc windows device. Some other platforms may have better exclusive indie games to certain people or such as if you love VR indie games which would be impossible on Switch. Maybe with Xbox and Playstation's subscription service you can get free indie games every month which could be seen as a better place for playing indies due to value.

I mean I didn't say in all cases, if you can't get the game for any better value, content, graphics, controls, etc, elsewhere Switch is the best platform for them due to portability in my opinion.

What about people who don't care about portability?

That too, but I don't understand those that don't. Even you just use it in your house, it's great to be able to both all over the place in any room and still play your game. Besides it's likely if you own a Switch in the first place your going to be using the portability of it and for most indie games at least, there is not much downside to it. Isn't it just equal grounds then? I guess it would be just which eco-system or controller you prefer.

I wasn't 100% agreeing with the OP anyways, that's why I just said as system to play them on.



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Mnementh said:
xl-klaudkil said:

I hate comments  like.this.

Switch  has a tiny library, yea  most ps gamers dont buy indies but fifa18 will crush splatoon, zelda, mario kart combined in 1 day.

 

Playstation  has so many great games its really  easy to forget  the smaller one's. 

I hate comments like this. It assumes somehow, people buy games they don't like if they don't have anything else. Not buying any game at all (besides the game you bought the system for in the first place) is indeed a viable option, if the library does not offer anything good. A better libraty usually results in each customer buying more games than he would on a system with worse library.

And if the argument would make sense, why games didn't sold that much on WiiU or Vita?

Besides, it's not only indies, also japanese games sell well.

If you remember, indies flocked to the Vita too and several devs came out and said that games were selling well on it.



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
StarOcean said:

It was not what I said, so you misquoted me. Then you used that misquote to make a point that only works if the misquote was the correct quote, which it was not. Which made it a misquote. So either you forgot what I said or are trying to mislead others. So pick which scenario is true.

And Nintendo can succeed without doing amzing. Case and point the N64, Gamecube, Wii U. 

No, IT DOES WORK. 

IN FACT, MY MISQUOTE IS ALMOST THE EXACT THING YOU SAID

Here's my "misquote" : Again, this is bad logic. I mean in the case of Star Ocean, he literally said "This is why I don't like it when Nintendo succeeds" ... about a FORUM. Think about that. Someone doesn't want Nintendo to succeed, because of how *forum* users act when they do. Just shut off the fucking internet if peoples biases or happiness is going to affect you that much ... 

This is your quote : "And this is why I dont like when Nintendo does well. Any moderate success is instantly turned into some massive hyperbole like this threads premise"

Not only is "does well" a synonym for "succeed", but you even make a point that moderate success turns into hype that you don't like. Well, if moderate success does that, and you obviously don't want major success, then what is there left? Minor success? That's hardly what i'd call "being successful"

Wanting Nintendo to be successful in a lesser form because of a forum is stupid. Stop reading forums if that's going to be your mindset. 

And again I mean no disrespect, it's just a dumb attitude and fanboyism isn't exclusive to a company. This attitude Nintendo fans have - will probably happen if the XB4 becomes successful. And look I can level with you and agree the attitude is cancer. I mean you can go back and see that a lot of Nintendo threads I'd comment "Why the fuck does this thread exist? We already know the Switch is a success." I've argued with Miyamotoo that he needs to stop playing down the handheld aspect of the Switch to hype up it's success even further. Everytime someone makes a thread like "Look how wrong your predictions were in january hahha" I go "shut the fuck up." The arrogance of Nintendo fans at times can be annoying. Is that any different from other fanboys? No, not at all. 

Wanting Nintendo to have success that isn't decent, moderate(in your own words), or big because of fanboys? I mean, we aren't 10 year olds in the 90's. We could always just turn off the machine. I'm sure you've had this conversation before. Saying that Nintendo could just have success like the N64 is a bad example. That *is* the moderate success that led people to dicksuck the console to this day, despite selling 32:100. Gamecube and Wii U are the only examples were Nintendo wasn't at least moderately successful ... and well ... I don't think the "minor" success of those consoles was enough.

I can respect your opinion on it, just not your attitude or your exclusivity. 

You can be as upset as you want about it, I don't care. You misquoted me and I pointed that out. Don't do that. And it is not the same when you misquote. As for the rest, not going to point out what is right and wrong. 



Lawlight said:
StarDoor said:

Right, because consoles sell the most in their first year on the market. That's why PS4 sold the most in 2014 and has only declined since. It's not like PS4 is selling faster in 2017 than in any previous year or anything.

That's not what I said but on a month-to-month basis, surely a newer console is expected to outsell a console that's 3.5 years old. Your comparison with the PS4's 2014 kinda fails because, in 2014, the PS4 was outselling the older systems.

Being out for 3.5 years doesn't make it an "older system", that makes it a system that is at its peak in terms of sales. In 2014, PS4 was outselling consoles that had released 7 years prior and had declined significantly from their peaks. A system's first year is nearly always worse than the following years, so if Switch's first year can match PS4's best year, then Switch's best year can be much better than PS4's.

Let's see how long it takes for consoles to have a worse year than their first year:

DS:
2.6 million
5.1 million
8.8 million
10.2 million
10.4 million
8.4 million
3.6 million
1.9 million (8th year)

PSP:
2.9 million
3.6 million
3.8 million
2.4 million (4th year)

X360:
3.8 million

4.4 million
4.9 million
4.8 million
7.0 million
7.7 million
6.3 million
3.4 million (8th year)

PS3:
2.5 million
3.5 million
4.2 million
4.7 million
4.5 million
3.5 million
2.2 million (7th year)

Wii:
6.4 million
9.8 million
9.0 million
7.4 million
4.9 million (5th year)

I can't believe that I have to explain the concept of a "peak year" to someone. How do you post so much on VGChartz and still not know this?



StarOcean said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

No, IT DOES WORK. 

IN FACT, MY MISQUOTE IS ALMOST THE EXACT THING YOU SAID

Here's my "misquote" : Again, this is bad logic. I mean in the case of Star Ocean, he literally said "This is why I don't like it when Nintendo succeeds" ... about a FORUM. Think about that. Someone doesn't want Nintendo to succeed, because of how *forum* users act when they do. Just shut off the fucking internet if peoples biases or happiness is going to affect you that much ... 

This is your quote : "And this is why I dont like when Nintendo does well. Any moderate success is instantly turned into some massive hyperbole like this threads premise"

Not only is "does well" a synonym for "succeed", but you even make a point that moderate success turns into hype that you don't like. Well, if moderate success does that, and you obviously don't want major success, then what is there left? Minor success? That's hardly what i'd call "being successful"

Wanting Nintendo to be successful in a lesser form because of a forum is stupid. Stop reading forums if that's going to be your mindset. 

And again I mean no disrespect, it's just a dumb attitude and fanboyism isn't exclusive to a company. This attitude Nintendo fans have - will probably happen if the XB4 becomes successful. And look I can level with you and agree the attitude is cancer. I mean you can go back and see that a lot of Nintendo threads I'd comment "Why the fuck does this thread exist? We already know the Switch is a success." I've argued with Miyamotoo that he needs to stop playing down the handheld aspect of the Switch to hype up it's success even further. Everytime someone makes a thread like "Look how wrong your predictions were in january hahha" I go "shut the fuck up." The arrogance of Nintendo fans at times can be annoying. Is that any different from other fanboys? No, not at all. 

Wanting Nintendo to have success that isn't decent, moderate(in your own words), or big because of fanboys? I mean, we aren't 10 year olds in the 90's. We could always just turn off the machine. I'm sure you've had this conversation before. Saying that Nintendo could just have success like the N64 is a bad example. That *is* the moderate success that led people to dicksuck the console to this day, despite selling 32:100. Gamecube and Wii U are the only examples were Nintendo wasn't at least moderately successful ... and well ... I don't think the "minor" success of those consoles was enough.

I can respect your opinion on it, just not your attitude or your exclusivity. 

You can be as upset as you want about it, I don't care. You misquoted me and I pointed that out. Don't do that. And it is not the same when you misquote. As for the rest, not going to point out what is right and wrong. 

I'm not "upset", don't mischaracterize me. My misquote really didn't change what you said at all, but sorry for doing that.

Basically, you have no ground to stand on, but because you know that you'd rather back out. I mean, I tried to reason with you. And yeah, in the end of the day hating Nintendo fans(or success) isn't important. Just trying to bring a rational viewpoint. I shouldn't be surprised that this is how you act though given your reputation, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well, happy gaming!



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Goodnightmoon said:
StarOcean said:

Mr. Moon, you and I both know that is statement is 100% incorrect. 

I'm not that sure, I'm not saying you are one of them but the hyperbole has always been there, not sure why you feel to point speciafically to Nintendo, I have heard a lot of hyperbolic shit about the all mighty Ps4 this last 4 years to the point where sometimes I don't even see it anymore because it became normal, maybe it happens the same to you. In any case I don't see how is such an hyperbole to say Switch is slowly becoming the best option for indies when its pretty obvious that flexibility is a huge plus, that the console is getting a huge number of them in very little time and people is buying them more on Switch than other consoles, is not a delusional opinion or anything like that.

And you have seen me attack them too. I call it out when I deem it necessary. We became friends when I called it out on Sony's front iirc, so don't paint me in a picture like that. Instead paint me like one of your French girls



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
StarOcean said:

You can be as upset as you want about it, I don't care. You misquoted me and I pointed that out. Don't do that. And it is not the same when you misquote. As for the rest, not going to point out what is right and wrong. 

I'm not "upset", don't mischaracterize me. My misquote really didn't change what you said at all, but sorry for doing that.

Basically, you have no ground to stand on, but because you know that you'd rather back out. I mean, I tried to reason with you. And yeah, in the end of the day hating Nintendo fans(or success) isn't important. Just trying to bring a rational viewpoint. I shouldn't be surprised that this is how you act though given your reputation, but I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt. Oh well, happy gaming!

If you have a problem with me, which you do, take it to my wall.



Green098 said:

Lawlight said:

 

What about people who don't care about portability?

That too, but I don't understand those that don't. Even you just use it in your house, it's great to be able to both all over the place in any room and still play your game. Besides it's likely if you own a Switch in the first place your going to be using the portability of it and for most indie games at least, there is not much downside to it. Isn't it just equal grounds then? I guess it would be just which eco-system or controller you prefer.

I wasn't 100% agreeing with the OP anyways, that's why I just said as system to play them on.

My line of thinking is that if you're in your home, why not play your games on a big TV with a good controller instead of playing it on a handheld? And there is downside to portability - making a system also portable sacrifices power and features.



Guy, guys, guys, you're all wrong! The best place to play Indies is on Ouya!



StarOcean said:
Goodnightmoon said:

I'm not that sure, I'm not saying you are one of them but the hyperbole has always been there, not sure why you feel to point speciafically to Nintendo, I have heard a lot of hyperbolic shit about the all mighty Ps4 this last 4 years to the point where sometimes I don't even see it anymore because it became normal, maybe it happens the same to you. In any case I don't see how is such an hyperbole to say Switch is slowly becoming the best option for indies when its pretty obvious that flexibility is a huge plus, that the console is getting a huge number of them in very little time and people is buying them more on Switch than other consoles, is not a delusional opinion or anything like that.

And you have seen me attack them too. I call it out when I deem it necessary. We became friends when I called it out on Sony's front iirc, so don't paint me in a picture like that. Instead paint me like one of your French girls

I don't paint you in a negative way, I don't remember you being like one of those hyperbolic people at all and I don't think you are a hater or anything like that, I'm just saying is not something exclusive to one fanbase and personally, I don't see how this is such an hyperbole because he is not saying switch is the best place for indies period, he says is becoming the best place, and for all we know that could be true, its very compelling for that kind of games and is getting a lot of them fast, including some cool exclusives like Golf Story, so I don't think the OP is being so irrational for you to make such a statement, but that's all, I mean is no big deal I just don't get why you said that because I'm just not seeing anything extraordinary happening here.