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zero129 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

The most interesting thing is this:

"The company appears to have been only partially successful; in a statement posted today on Reddit, a representative of the RPCS3 dev team claims that on Saturday Patreon (but not the dev team) received notice that Atlus had filed a DMCA takedown against the RPCS3 Patreon page."

"Notably, Patreon reportedly pushed back, stating that they believed the emulation group's work fell under fair use and that the emulator itself did not infringe on any of Atlus' copyrights."

So the DMCA did not even reach the Dev teams but instead, Altus tried to go above them and try to get Patreon to take down the RPCS3 Patreon thing instead. But the website decided to push back on Altus instead of just complying with the DMCA. The dev team did end up removing any Persona 5 related content however but apart from that, it is interesting how the site was even defending emulation and ended up being successful.

Yeah Atlus has pretty much done no damage at all as fans will show the game running on PC using RPCS3 just like how it is Cemu (I believe this is why Nintendo wasnt able to go after Cemu in the same way since the fans do the marketing for Exzap).

Plus like one of the RPCS3 devs said in the statement "Whatever happened, we ask everyone to be nice. RPCS3 as a project and the Patreon itself are safe. And whatever people may wish, there's no way to stop any playable game from being executed on the emulator. Blacklisting the game? RPCS3 is open-source, any attempt would easily be reversed. Attempting to take down the project? At the time of this post, this and many other games were already playable to their full extent, and again, RPCS3 is and will always be an open-source project."

The whole project is open source.

It's funny that the way they put basically they are telling that piracy on it is open as well.



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First, we couldn't show P5 footage on Youtube, now you can't talk about the emulation of it. Next, you'll only be able to mention Persona on Mondays, but never on Thursdays. Persona 6 will be so exclusive, the only way you'll be able to play it is if you fly out to the Altus' office in Japan where it can only be played behind a curtain, with a bouncer looking over your shoulder.



Emulation just isn't the same, I've tried the dolphin emu it just too much hassle with errors etc so I've just bought a wii instead.
I've seen clips of ps3 emulation it's better to just get a ps3



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To be fair, Atlus kind of walked into getting their game pirated by releasing it on a console that was nearly ten years old. Ten years is long enough to wait before releasing an emulator for a console. CEMU on the other hand was a blatant attempt to undermine and steal from Nintendo.

Persona 5 won't be coming to PC in any official capacity for a very long time. Atlus doesn't really have a history of releasing their games on PC, other than Catherine and a PS1 Persona game.



One of the top posts from Reddit's pcmasterrace page...

"Instead of attacking people who emulate their games, maybe they should re-allocate that money into making a PC port? They can't just block a release to the PC and punish people for using their PCs to play it anyways. The PC is resilient and Darwinian. If it can't run the games today, it will evolve to run them tomorrow... With or without the help of the publisher.
If you want to make real money on the PC, you need to provide an experience better than emulation. PC gamers don't want to have to emulate, but they absolutely will if there's no alternative. It's simple, and there's no changing it. Sell to the global 800m+ majority, or be emulated. Port to PC, or be emulated."

And another comment found on the same sub that sums up my sentiments on this...

"Hahahaha wow. Now we're calling theinly veiled pirating "evolution."
"Either provide content in the exact manner in which I want to experience it or I'm totally justified in just pirating it."
And "no alternative," as if buying the console games are released just isn't an option.
Jesus fuck, I like PC ports too but the self righteousness of this is embarrassing."



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Cerebralbore101 said:
One of the top posts from Reddit's pcmasterrace page...

"Instead of attacking people who emulate their games, maybe they should re-allocate that money into making a PC port? They can't just block a release to the PC and punish people for using their PCs to play it anyways. The PC is resilient and Darwinian. If it can't run the games today, it will evolve to run them tomorrow... With or without the help of the publisher.
If you want to make real money on the PC, you need to provide an experience better than emulation. PC gamers don't want to have to emulate, but they absolutely will if there's no alternative. It's simple, and there's no changing it. Sell to the global 800m+ majority, or be emulated. Port to PC, or be emulated."

And another comment found on the same sub that sums up my sentiments on this...

"Hahahaha wow. Now we're calling theinly veiled pirating "evolution."
"Either provide content in the exact manner in which I want to experience it or I'm totally justified in just pirating it."
And "no alternative," as if buying the console games are released just isn't an option.
Jesus fuck, I like PC ports too but the self righteousness of this is embarrassing."

But of course the comment going against the idea of wanting a port would fit your views nicely.

There is clearly a market for the game on the platform and for years Atlus have ignored those clamouring for the franchise to make it's way to the platform.

You've got a heavy anti emulation stance as well as anything else going towards the platform in general. i know very well that you have a history with PC and you play indies and all that, but you certainly hold a lot of disdain for it, especially in recent years. 



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Chazore said:
Cerebralbore101 said:
One of the top posts from Reddit's pcmasterrace page...

"Instead of attacking people who emulate their games, maybe they should re-allocate that money into making a PC port? They can't just block a release to the PC and punish people for using their PCs to play it anyways. The PC is resilient and Darwinian. If it can't run the games today, it will evolve to run them tomorrow... With or without the help of the publisher.
If you want to make real money on the PC, you need to provide an experience better than emulation. PC gamers don't want to have to emulate, but they absolutely will if there's no alternative. It's simple, and there's no changing it. Sell to the global 800m+ majority, or be emulated. Port to PC, or be emulated."

And another comment found on the same sub that sums up my sentiments on this...

"Hahahaha wow. Now we're calling theinly veiled pirating "evolution."
"Either provide content in the exact manner in which I want to experience it or I'm totally justified in just pirating it."
And "no alternative," as if buying the console games are released just isn't an option.
Jesus fuck, I like PC ports too but the self righteousness of this is embarrassing."

But of course the comment going against the idea of wanting a port would fit your views nicely.

There is clearly a market for the game on the platform and for years Atlus have ignored those clamouring for the franchise to make it's way to the platform.

You've got a heavy anti emulation stance as well as anything else going towards the platform in general. i know very well that you have a history with PC and you play indies and all that, but you certainly hold a lot of disdain for it, especially in recent years. 

Asking for a port is one thing. Demanding a port, and then pirating the game when it isn't ported is another thing entirely. If a publisher wants to bring their game to PC let them, but don't freaking try to force them, or hold a gun to their heads. Plenty of other games like YS VIII, Neir: Automata, Tales of Bersia, and Final Fantasy have done it. You don't see me complaining about those games coming to PC, because in return console owners get Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Portal, etc. 

I mean, I really want Divinity: Original Sin II to come to the PS4, but you don't see me refusing to buy the game, or boycotting the game, or trying to find a way to get the game for free. Nope, instead you see me putting the game on my steam wishlist, and waiting until I have the time to play it, before I shell out the $45 (a fantastic and fair price, for a game that just released, BTW!) for it. 



Cerebralbore101 said:

Asking for a port is one thing. Demanding a port, and then pirating the game when it isn't ported is another thing entirely. If a publisher wants to bring their game to PC let them, but don't freaking try to force them, or hold a gun to their heads. Plenty of other games like YS VIII, Neir: Automata, Tales of Bersia, and Final Fantasy have done it. You don't see me complaining about those games coming to PC, because in return console owners get Elder Scrolls, Fallout, Portal, etc. 

I mean, I really want Divinity: Original Sin II to come to the PS4, but you don't see me refusing to buy the game, or boycotting the game, or trying to find a way to get the game for free. Nope, instead you see me putting the game on my steam wishlist, and waiting until I have the time to play it, before I shell out the $45 (a fantastic and fair price, for a game that just released, BTW!) for it. 

Except it's not pirating, people have gone through that rigmarole with you folk beforehand.

No one is remotely holding them at gunpoint, so let's drop that mentality right here and now while we're at it.

 

Like I said before, people have been clamouring for Persona to hit PC for years and Atlus has done nowt to provite anything for that market, which has led to current events. I think it's actually quite ingorant to continue ignoring a market that wants your product to reach their platform, to a point where that platform has to create various ways to grab attention of said company, only for that company to swat them and go back to ignoring them.

Plenty of those other games have had companies and devs that actually decided to listen to reason, the biggest difference here is that Atlus hasn't for years and after that PR statement, I can easily see them going back to ignoring them once more. 

 

DoS has been released on consoles as well, do you honestly think the devs are going to turn around and suddenly say "no, you'll never ever get DoS II"?. The comparison with DoS II and P5 isn't even remotely the same at all. For starters the original was Kickstarted by consumers, not a Publisher, not a console company, then of course the game was released for PC and consoles followed afterwards, with the Persona series, none of that has happened for PC, so it's not even the same thing, the same design, nor the same way.

 

Console owners have always had ES/Fallout games for years.... PC only managed a few of those Japanese games in recent years, again a big difference in time there, especially in library.

 

You cannot boycott the game if it's not for sale on your system of choice, same goes for PC in regards to wanting P5, how is one to boycott a company that never sells to them in the first place?.

 

According to your own thread, $45 would be too expensive for something digital, that and you only treat Steam for indie titles, so gl finding $45+ for standalone indie titles.

 

At the end of the day, you are not a paragon for all to follow, we are all different, we all have our own likes and dislikes, especially opinions, but yours isn't to be ought after, so there is no need to preach it like it should be. What I think you should do in life, you would easily disagree with what I could say, which is why I don't bother telling you what to do with your life, your expenses etc.



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Chazore said:

Except it's not pirating, people have gone through that rigmarole with you folk beforehand.

It is if they don't buy the disc. 

No one is remotely holding them at gunpoint, so let's drop that mentality right here and now while we're at it.

Saying you'll pirate a game, if it isn't brought to your platform of choice isn't doing that? 

Like I said before, people have been clamouring for Persona to hit PC for years and Atlus has done nowt to provite anything for that market, which has led to current events. I think it's actually quite ingorant to continue ignoring a market that wants your product to reach their platform, to a point where that platform has to create various ways to grab attention of said company, only for that company to swat them and go back to ignoring them.

I don't disagree with this at all. They should bring it to PC for financial reasons. But if they choose not to that is their choice, and it should be respected. 

DoS has been released on consoles as well, do you honestly think the devs are going to turn around and suddenly say "no, you'll never ever get DoS II"?. The comparison with DoS II and P5 isn't even remotely the same at all. For starters the original was Kickstarted by consumers, not a Publisher, not a console company, then of course the game was released for PC and consoles followed afterwards, with the Persona series, none of that has happened for PC, so it's not even the same thing, the same design, nor the same way.

Where a game originated from doesn't really matter though. If you want we can replace DoS II with Civ VI, or some other game that is exclusive to PC. The point remains the same. You don't see console gamers throwing tantrums when a game doesn't come to their platform of choice. 

Console owners have always had ES/Fallout games for years.... PC only managed a few of those Japanese games in recent years, again a big difference in time there, especially in library.

Ok then Pillars of Eternity, Diablo III, and Shadow Tactics. All those games came to consoles. But again the point remains the same. I don't mind if games get official ports to PC. That's fine, because PC games come to consoles in return. 

You cannot boycott the game if it's not for sale on your system of choice, same goes for PC in regards to wanting P5, how is one to boycott a company that never sells to them in the first place?.

You cannot boycott if it isn't on your favorite system? I didn't realize that PC gamers were somehow physically incapable of purchasing a console, and a game to  play it on. If you can legally walk into a store and buy something, they are selling it to you. 

According to your own thread, $45 would be too expensive for something digital, that and you only treat Steam for indie titles, so gl finding $45+ for standalone indie titles.

Which thread was that? I said I buy exclusives and Indies for PC in my intro thread. That's the only thread I can think of. 


At the end of the day, you are not a paragon for all to follow, we are all different, we all have our own likes and dislikes, especially opinions, but yours isn't to be ought after, so there is no need to preach it like it should be. What I think you should do in life, you would easily disagree with what I could say, which is why I don't bother telling you what to do with your life, your expenses etc.

Yeah everybody has their differences. That's fine. I really should stop bagging on PC so much. It's just unhealthy. 



Cerebralbore101 said:

It is if they don't buy the disc. 

And yet you're basing it as if everyone is, thus killing your own reason in the process.

 

Saying you'll pirate a game, if it isn't brought to your platform of choice isn't doing that? 

It's not exactly the same as being held at ltieral gunpoint, I thought someone older than me would understand the difference.


I don't disagree with this at all. They should bring it to PC for financial reasons. But if they choose not to that is their choice, and it should be respected. 

Yeah, yet you won't advocate for it to actually go forward, you're more or less going against the crowd that wants it to happen by going with the latter of what you just said.

 

Where a game originated from doesn't really matter though. If you want we can replace DoS II with Civ VI, or some other game that is exclusive to PC. The point remains the same. You don't see console gamers throwing tantrums when a game doesn't come to their platform of choice. 

It does if it's being funded directly by the consumer. The point of DoS isn't exactly the same, you're only now using a different one because I just pointed out how it didn't fit. Now you're using a Strategy game for a platform that isn't know primarily for that type of genre.

Tantrums, oh that's how it is?. (I take it you don't browse the ent as much, let alone dare to look at the other sides of someone expressing their thoughts on a game not going to their platform of choice, but I imagine in your mind that said thoughts are completely exclusive to just PC people..)

 

Ok then Pillars of Eternity, Diablo III, and Shadow Tactics. All those games came to consoles. But again the point remains the same. I don't mind if games get official ports to PC. That's fine, because PC games come to consoles in return. 

They all came to consoles, that's the point, they all arrived, while anything from Atlus in regards to releasing on PC hasn't. All you've done is point out that console users have had to wait a few months to at max, a year or two, while with Atlus titles on PC, years and years.

In this instance it's a few PC games going to consoles, when you look at Atlus, the same cannot be said for PC. You want to include other japanese games going to PC, go for it, but we're strictly talking about Atlus here.

 

You cannot boycott if it isn't on your favorite system? I didn't realize that PC gamers were somehow physically incapable of purchasing a console, and a game to  play it on. If you can legally walk into a store and buy something, they are selling it to you. 

You don't seem to realise that the product doesn't exist on PC, how are you even supposed to boycott a company that doesn't sell to you in the first place?. Oh you want "console" gamers to boycott a game on their own platform?, I'm sure that would send a crystal and clear message that Atlus should in turn, port their game to PC...

 

Which thread was that? I said I buy exclusives and Indies for PC in my intro thread. That's the only thread I can think of. 

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Yeah everybody has their differences. That's fine. I really should stop bagging on PC so much. It's just unhealthy. 

It's only unhealthy when you choose to focus on it often. I've seen this about you for a while now, talking of good for something, but bringing up bad for PC, meta scores, exclusives, games etc, hell anything about the platform. It gives off the idea that you despie the platform, despite having used it a few times.

I don't game on consoles as much as I used to some years ago, but I don't call them scumbags or seek to make a thread to bring up the ill of the system. I don't see Valve or any other company out there as my best buddy (like some do in terms of rooting for X company) and I'll go against any company doing stupid crap (like Valve+bethesda and the paid mod crap, or how Valve sucks at trying to tidy up their own store). That said, I've got friends that game on consoles and I let them be. I don't forcefully convert them (like a small few would like to believe), if they want to, i'll be happy to help them.



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