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AsGryffynn on 15 September 2017
contestgamer said:
AsGryffynn said:

Refer to post where I say I am not American, it's not seen as racist here and people do it at times yet no black people feel offended because in our society we didn't mock black people to the point they wanted to set their eyes on fire back when YOUR people were debating whether they should have rights or not. 

I am not in America and thus your values do not apply to me. I understand this much. 

That's different, fair enough. But if you were American it would be deeply offensive. 

Thanks. For an instant I wondered if I had genuinely done something awful since I actually do care about racism. It's just that people sometimes point to something that happened fifty years ago and which wasn't a thing here and suddenly treat me awful even though it's a first. 

Never mind what happened in the US though... Reap what you sow I guess... While I think it's a bad thing over there, I am not into repressing creative freedom for the sake of political correctness. Especially when the real culprits are long gone, so I still think even things such as blackface shouldn't automatically be classed racism unless there's a clear wish to denigrate or mock someone. 

My two cents.

DonFerrari said:
contestgamer said:

What they did is normnalizing racism. A real racist could not make fun of accents under the guise that these "non racists" did it. I'm for equality and fairness - if someone can't do it, then no one can do it.

So why haven't the other friend that made joke about the british accent weren't fired them? As you said, if it's valid for one it should be enforced on the other.

sethnintendo said:
I want to hear the joke. Just says he did a southern accent.

The joke? He offered a traditional southern dish to his black friend using a southern accent (with no direct inflection of being a dialect or accent that would be used by black people instead of white people). So there were no joke, just mock on accent that both done to one another.

Wait... that's it? It's a wonder Brits don't consider me score then, given I have a field day doing Cockney and Essex accents whenever I am in the UK... 



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contestgamer on 15 September 2017
Aeolus451 said:
contestgamer said:

 

I wasnt calling you racist, although I can see how you might have construed it that way. I suppose I'll ammend my original post with "racist or ignorant". And yes, we need to push basic decency on other people. That's what we do with the N word, that's what we do with the nazi symbols, etc. This is the same thing. You "push" people to be decent. 

That's the very same arguement alot of religious people use as a jusitification to push their beliefs on others. You and other progressives are doing the same thing. If people in general are not cool with religious people doing that then they sure as shit won't let progressives do it. Culture apporation is a warped concept on being decent and if you want to believe that, fine, do it for yourself but it has no business being pushed to become a normal thing.

So by that same logic should we also stop fighting against nazi symbolism being a publically accepted norm? Or The N word? Where is the line? As progressives we believe that line should be drawn as whatever offends minority people. Frankly it should be a law, not a "rule" so that we dont have to have these arguements anymore.



Pyro as Bill on 15 September 2017
contestgamer said:
Aeolus451 said:

He's talking about a guy who made a joke to a friend and people flipping their shit over it. That's idiotic. I swear progressives live off of hysteria or outrage.

To that bolded bit, that's false and just a marketing slogan. The name of it is like that too. In reality, progressives only represent their ideology/themselves and create more division among people by labeling everything and pushing asinine concepts like cultural appropriation. That doesn't sound like something that represents or cares about justice, fairness or people of all walks. 

Cultural appropriation does represent juistice and fainess. Don't hijack other peoples cultures. It's a simple rule. It's not divisive, it's anti-divisive. The only people that consider it divisive are racists who want to destroy other cultures by mixing them with their own.

A Brit doing an American accent is cultural appropriation? The irony lol.

If a Brit does an Australian/Canadian accent while mocking their monarchy, is that cultural appropriation too?



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contestgamer on 15 September 2017
Pyro as Bill said:
contestgamer said:

Cultural appropriation does represent juistice and fainess. Don't hijack other peoples cultures. It's a simple rule. It's not divisive, it's anti-divisive. The only people that consider it divisive are racists who want to destroy other cultures by mixing them with their own.

A Brit doing an American accent is cultural appropriation? The irony lol.

If a Brit does an Australian/Canadian accent while mocking their monarchy, is that cultural appropriation too?

It doesnt apply to white-english cultures as they dont have real cultural histories.



Dallinor on 15 September 2017
NightDragon83 said:

Seriously though, where would we be as a society today if we didn't have brave white social justice warriors like the woman who started this whole mess to take offense to racial humor on behalf of actual minorities?

That's the real joke here, SJW's getting their way in a culturally oversensitive environment and thinking they're making a difference for the good of society. She's probably patting herself on the back right now.



 

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Dallinor on 15 September 2017
contestgamer said:
Pyro as Bill said:

A Brit doing an American accent is cultural appropriation? The irony lol.

If a Brit does an Australian/Canadian accent while mocking their monarchy, is that cultural appropriation too?

It doesnt apply to white-english cultures as they dont have real cultural histories.

real cultural histories

Say what?



 

Aeolus451 on 15 September 2017
contestgamer said:
Aeolus451 said:

That's the very same arguement alot of religious people use as a jusitification to push their beliefs on others. You and other progressives are doing the same thing. If people in general are not cool with religious people doing that then they sure as shit won't let progressives do it. Culture apporation is a warped concept on being decent and if you want to believe that, fine, do it for yourself but it has no business being pushed to become a normal thing.

So by that same logic should we also stop fighting against nazi symbolism being a publically accepted norm? Or The N word? Where is the line? As progressives we believe that line should be drawn as whatever offends minority people. Frankly it should be a law, not a "rule" so that we dont have to have these arguements anymore.

lol ugh...... Are you being satirical or something? I hope so. Nice strawmans btw. We can't make laws based on what offends a minority of people. Sorry. That's idiotic in a multitude of ways. What's offensive is based on sensibilities and feelings which neither has any basis in logic. They are reactionary and fluid. You're basically saying that we should make anything against the law that offends a group of people that take offense to everything. 

 This is why people are getting tired of progressivism. It's wearing it's welcome quickly because it's all about forcing others to live in a way they deem as correct. 



contestgamer on 15 September 2017
Dallinor said:
contestgamer said:

It doesnt apply to white-english cultures as they dont have real cultural histories.

real cultural histories

Say what?

Cultures that span back at least 500 years or are self identified meaningful cultures of minorities.



DonFerrari on 15 September 2017
contestgamer said:
DonFerrari said:

So why haven't the other friend that made joke about the british accent weren't fired them? As you said, if it's valid for one it should be enforced on the other.

The joke? He offered a traditional southern dish to his black friend using a southern accent (with no direct inflection of being a dialect or accent that would be used by black people instead of white people). So there were no joke, just mock on accent that both done to one another.

Its not racist if it's directed towards a group in power - white british cannot cry racism because they are the oppressors.

Yes the british are all powerfull people. I'm always amussed to the excuses that SJW and progressives use.

Two friends joking among them about their heritage, one is offensive the other aint.

Then the jokes against minorities aren't ok, unless they are done by someone from inside.

As you said I'm latino, I'm a minority, and didn't like what you said and I'm offended, so by your proposition of law you should be throw in jail.

AsGryffynn said:
contestgamer said:

That's different, fair enough. But if you were American it would be deeply offensive. 

Thanks. For an instant I wondered if I had genuinely done something awful since I actually do care about racism. It's just that people sometimes point to something that happened fifty years ago and which wasn't a thing here and suddenly treat me awful even though it's a first. 

Never mind what happened in the US though... Reap what you sow I guess... While I think it's a bad thing over there, I am not into repressing creative freedom for the sake of political correctness. Especially when the real culprits are long gone, so I still think even things such as blackface shouldn't automatically be classed racism unless there's a clear wish to denigrate or mock someone. 

My two cents.

DonFerrari said:

So why haven't the other friend that made joke about the british accent weren't fired them? As you said, if it's valid for one it should be enforced on the other.

The joke? He offered a traditional southern dish to his black friend using a southern accent (with no direct inflection of being a dialect or accent that would be used by black people instead of white people). So there were no joke, just mock on accent that both done to one another.

Wait... that's it? It's a wonder Brits don't consider me score then, given I have a field day doing Cockney and Essex accents whenever I am in the UK... 

SJW will distort anything to make a point. Even when a false rape claim is made they won't scold the female, they will said it was possible that it would occur and she being a woman is at a constant risk.

contestgamer said:
Aeolus451 said:

That's the very same arguement alot of religious people use as a jusitification to push their beliefs on others. You and other progressives are doing the same thing. If people in general are not cool with religious people doing that then they sure as shit won't let progressives do it. Culture apporation is a warped concept on being decent and if you want to believe that, fine, do it for yourself but it has no business being pushed to become a normal thing.

So by that same logic should we also stop fighting against nazi symbolism being a publically accepted norm? Or The N word? Where is the line? As progressives we believe that line should be drawn as whatever offends minority people. Frankly it should be a law, not a "rule" so that we dont have to have these arguements anymore.

And we also should fight Socialism, Communism, Castro, Che Guevara and all other traces of prejudice right?

contestgamer said:
Pyro as Bill said:

A Brit doing an American accent is cultural appropriation? The irony lol.

If a Brit does an Australian/Canadian accent while mocking their monarchy, is that cultural appropriation too?

It doesnt apply to white-english cultures as they dont have real cultural histories.

And the others are the people with prejudice?

Sorry to tell you, but Vikings have culture, Celtics have culture, Roman, Greeks and all other people have culture.



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Aeolus451 on 15 September 2017
contestgamer said:
Pyro as Bill said:

A Brit doing an American accent is cultural appropriation? The irony lol.

If a Brit does an Australian/Canadian accent while mocking their monarchy, is that cultural appropriation too?

It doesnt apply to white-english cultures as they dont have real cultural histories.

Ugh. What the fuck are you talking about? They have ancient histories full of culture that's unique to each of those countries. Please, stop it with this kind of nonsense.