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Alby_da_Wolf said:
LadyJasmine said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/sep/08/hillary-clinton-memoir-what-happened-election-trump-sanders

I am getting a bit sick and tired of Hillary Clinton blaming everyone else...You lost against a supposed No body in 2008 and getting worn down by a 70-year-old Socialist and got beaten by the worst candidate in US history...

Its rather simple, Hillary was playing poker against a guy ( Trump) who had to get a royal flush and was lighting himself on fire every other day and simply had to win with a pair... and she still lost.

In the end,  her campaign made a fatal tactical made a stupid decision to not campaign in the Rust belt hard enough and if she did, she would have been President... simple as that.

It is rather Telling how tone deaf Hillary Clinton is as she has lower poll numbers than Trump and Trump are just pathetically bad.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/06/trump-public-opinion-better-than-hillary-clinton-242398

 

She even loses in defeat it seems ....

 

sigh...

I dare conjecturing that what she really thinks is that Bill owes her a victory because he cheated on her and the whole USA owe her it because they forgave him.   

Her husband asked the strategists to focus on the rust belt states and was ignored.



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LadyJasmine said:
Nem said:

She does have a reason to complain. That is factual. It is proven without a doubt that Russia interfered in the campaign in order to damage her.

She did recognise that despite all her strategy failed and it's her fault. 

What else do you want? I think we've had enough of burning Hillary for things she didn't do. How about you move on?

You do forget she was running against Donald Trump? So really, in the end, she had all the ability and advantages to win but it was her lack of abilities that made her lose? 

The fact is she can't face up to the humiliating fact she lost to Trump and it bitching about everyone else hurt her.

If she had any shame and self-respect she should shut up and obscure into the dust bin of history where she belongs. 

 

I am sick and tired of people like you making excuses for her...you should be like you failed us Hillary... 

Yep, I think most are tired of her and want her to go away.  I believe this former Hillary surrogate put it best...

"Honestly, I wish she’d just shut the f— up and go away.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/7/hillary-clinton-blame-game-chafes-fundraiser-i-wis/



sethnintendo said:
Mystro-Sama said:
The US would be so fucked if Hillary was President.

How so?  The House and Senate would still be controlled by the Republicans so not much would get done.  It would be like the past 8 months for at least 2 years.  Nothing getting done.  Apparently Republicans might come together and pass some tax cuts for the wealthy while giving the middle class some chump change.

 

 

Imo a Hillary Presidency would be way better then now however she would be totally incapable of doing much as she would be deeply unpopular and Republicans and Alt Right would be resurgent over her narrow election victory. 



Nem said:
LadyJasmine said:

It was my fault

 

Spends next 500 pages blaming everyone else.

 

OKay there... 

She does have a reason to complain. That is factual. It is proven without a doubt that Russia interfered in the campaign in order to damage her.

She did recognise that despite all her strategy failed and it's her fault. 

What else do you want? I think we've had enough of burning Hillary for things she didn't do. How about you move on?

It was also proven that she did send emails over an unsecured network.

 

It's also a fact that many people who wanted to vote for Bernie during the primaries were barred from doing so because they weren't registered Democrats.

 

And saying "I take responsibility, but" isn't taking responsibility.

 

And no, we haven't had enough burning Hillary. It's because of that dumb bitch that we have Trump, because Bernie would have never lost to him.



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LadyJasmine said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:

I dare conjecturing that what she really thinks is that Bill owes her a victory because he cheated on her and the whole USA owe her it because they forgave him.   

Her husband asked the strategists to focus on the rust belt states and was ignored.

In fact he won twice, but he always at least LOOKED (and probably he actually WAS too) closer to people than Hillary. Not to deny that she was an intelligent and probably often precious  counselor for him on many matters, but he always had a better attitude, or at least he always looked like he had it.



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Ofc she would blame everyone else, she is a bad loser. She could not defeat Donald Trump or Bernie because unlike her they had personality and clear policies.

She didn't lose because of the leaks or emails but because she was as crooked as they come, people should not blame it on the leaks but praise the leakers for revealing truth. 



Flilix said:
This is what happens when presidential campaigns are all about money. Both Clinton and Trump got there because they have a lot of money and because they're famous, not because of their political skills.

Hit the nail on the head there.  I'm not really a Hillary hater (I actually voted for her) but I really don't think she has accomplished much in her entire career.  I'm sure she has done some good but I don't think that makes up for her fuck ups as Secretary of State.

I would love to see money get sucked out of politics.  I would love to see stupid ass political ads pulled from all media.  However, it is kind of hard to close the flood gates once you open them.  Now we must all suffer in misery because Citizens United won't get overturned anytime soon.



Moac said:

Ofc she would blame everyone else, she is a bad loser. She could not defeat Donald Trump or Bernie because unlike her they had personality and clear policies.

She didn't lose because of the leaks or emails but because she was as crooked as they come, people should not blame it on the leaks but praise the leakers for reveal a truth. 

The leaks weren't even that bad.  The leaks before the Democratic Convention pretty much just showed that people high up in the DNC were favoring Hillary over Bernie.  You don't have to be a rocket scientist to have figured that out.  Now the Comey reopening and closing the investigation days within the election sure as hell didn't help one bit.



Let's be clear on one thing. Before the FBI revealed they had re-opened the investigation of her e-mails in October 28, Clinton was virtually unstopable. She was leading the national polls by atleast 6-8 points. Everything was pointing to a slam dunk victory, close to double digits.

Clinton lost because of a "perfect storm" hitting her. That storm consisted of many components, each component in itself wasn't dangerous enough to threat her presidency, but in combination and timing, it became impossible for her to win.

Her strategy wasn't bad had it been a normal election. What happened in 2016 was beyond normal.

I rank the cause of her loss as follows:

1. The re-opened FBI investigation (not even Obama in 2008 could have survived that)
2. Fake news trashed her
3. The vacancy at the supreme court gathered many of the conservatives who otherwise hated Trump
4. Clinton was a candidate with a very flawed reputation even before the election
5. Clinton's campaign had a strategy that didn't take Clinton's presumed flaws into consideration



Because of a "perfect storm", the majority wasn't enough to elect one of the most competent candidates America has ever had. Instead a large enough minority of Americans cast their vote on Donald Trump, and elected what has so far been one of the worst Presidents in modernt history.

It's hard to comprehend that the same county voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, and most likely would have voted for Obama again in 2016.