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A pre-emptive strike against North Korea?

Avoid loss of human lives at all costs! 128 28.64%
 
NK will never use those w... 147 32.89%
 
We should stop them befor... 71 15.88%
 
We should stop NK before NK causes a tragedy. 101 22.60%
 
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Soundwave said:
Lucas-Rio said:

The US is bullying a lot of country. Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Panama, Vietnam, Haiti, Somalia, and now Syria too where it is fighting the ISIS but also trying to attack syrian governement.You also missed Trump threatening Venezuela?

History show that no nuclear country has ever been invaded. History shows that country labelled " axis of evil" by the USA tend to be attacked and destroyed by the US.

The maths are simple, develop nuclear weapons to protect yourself against the USA, or become the possible next victim of US export of "democracy".

 

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Yup, North Korea recevied the message from Geroge W. Bush loud and clear. Now the world has to deal with the stupid fall out of that. 

Obama was also there for that Libyan mess don't forget. But the Iraq invasion and the massive lies about weapons of mass destruction clearly showed that giving up your WMD programs were useless for dictatorship wanting to survive against US will.



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Soundwave said:

There is no deal really to be made actually. North Korea has the world community by the balls here. 

There is no realistic military option here. This is at Bush's feet IMO. 

This is also why Obama was extremely smart in negotiating with Iran and getting them to come back from the brink BEFORE getting fucking weapons, and all those idiots who were screaming "don't negotiate! what a bad leader" ... well enjoy your North Korea problem now.

NK has nukes already, all we can do is try to incentivize them now to stop using them and threatening with them, but you can't exactly do a lot once the regime already gets them. 

Exactly this, NK may not win any wars against the world but they can win some battles with very severe rataliations if they're attacked and inflict substantial damage, it only takes one nuke to do so. US has always had the advantage of their countries geographical position so few enemies could strike at them now essentially the whole west coast of the US and large parts of Asia are potentially in range of H-bombs if anyone tries anything.

Lucas Rio also touched upon this some what with the Libya part of his post, NK have seen all these countries go down so rather than follow them they've armed themselves to the teeth.

I'd liked to ask those saying yes if you're in the US are you prepared to accept the liklihood of nukes hitting your country as a result.



Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

There is no deal really to be made actually. North Korea has the world community by the balls here. 

There is no realistic military option here. This is at Bush's feet IMO. 

This is also why Obama was extremely smart in negotiating with Iran and getting them to come back from the brink BEFORE getting fucking weapons, and all those idiots who were screaming "don't negotiate! what a bad leader" ... well enjoy your North Korea problem now.

NK has nukes already, all we can do is try to incentivize them now to stop using them and threatening with them, but you can't exactly do a lot once the regime already gets them. 

Exactly this, NK may not win any wars against the world but they can win some battles with very severe rataliations if they're attacked and inflict substantial damage, it only takes one nuke to do so. US has always had the advantage of their countries geographical position so few enemies could strike at them now essentially the whole west coast of the US and large parts of Asia are potentially in range of H-bombs if anyone tries anything.

Lucas Rio also touched upon this some what with the Libya part of his post, NK have seen all these countries go down so rather than follow them they've armed themselves to the teeth.

I'd liked to ask those saying yes if you're in the US are you prepared to accept the liklihood of nukes hitting your country as a result.

And this actually may be the best outcome to prevent a war.

A war never broke out between the US and the Soviet because of nuclear weapons. North Korea already had Seoul has the main insurance policy but now this is on another scale. Nucleat weapons armed countries don't get attacked.



Lucas-Rio said:

And this actually may be the best outcome to prevent a war.

A war never broke out between the US and the Soviet because of nuclear weapons. North Korea already had Seoul has the main insurance policy but now this is on another scale. Nucleat weapons armed countries don't get attacked.

Agreed the political background of this whole situation is one many people are oblivious to but that's partly to human nature it's easier for people to understand Kim Jong Un is a madman because it's nice and simple as opposed to knowing how modern politics work and that starting and winning a war is now a disastrous solution.



I would say if they launch another missile over an allied nation, then a targeted strike on Kim Dong Un's location would be necessary. With their "god" dead, we can begin to help North Korea modernize like South Korea (mostly?) is.



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There's some worrying dehumanisation and ignorance in some of the posts. So much so that I've decided to post for the first time in years.

Points have been raised about the fact that Korea is full of citizens that have nothing to do with the issues at hand. Murdering them would be more than immoral. There's been a lack of knowledge about the complexity of foreign policy decisions, but also an ignorance of US actions and their impact.

Anyway, I'm glad some people have served up questions and more complex thoughts than 'they hate us'. That's straight out of the book of negative cohesion propaganda employed by dictatorships and sham democracies everywhere.



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Azuren said:
I would say if they launch another missile over an allied nation, then a targeted strike on Kim Dong Un's location would be necessary. With their "god" dead, we can begin to help North Korea modernize like South Korea (mostly?) is.

They don't know where his location is and doing such a thing could risk Seoul and potentially parts of Japan being bombed into oblivion. 

What would be left of South Korea wouldn't be pretty. 

Oh and the global economy likely would collapse in a way that would make 2008 seem quaint. Just a few minor details. 



US will topple the North Korean regime if it is ready to do so. Why this has not happened? Because Kim dynasty is smart in developing long range missiles as a deterrent. Look at all the dumb Arab dictators who didnt develop weapons. All of them got destroyed by the US government. Kim Jong Un just wants to stay in power. No way would he be suicidal enough to start a war with the US government. It's not the first time North Korea has conducted nuke tests and it won't be the last. If they dismantle their program, they will be finished off like Saddam and Gaddafi. Are you willing to risk a lot just to get Kim off his throne?



Soundwave said:
Azuren said:
I would say if they launch another missile over an allied nation, then a targeted strike on Kim Dong Un's location would be necessary. With their "god" dead, we can begin to help North Korea modernize like South Korea (mostly?) is.

They don't know where his location is and doing such a thing could risk Seoul and potentially parts of Japan being bombed into oblivion. 

What would be left of South Korea wouldn't be pretty. 

Oh and the global economy likely would collapse in a way that would make 2008 seem quaint. Just a few minor details. 

Remind me why the global economy would collapse in the wake of the fall of a secularist country?



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CaptainExplosion said:
jason1637 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapon_test_locations

Its not uncommon for countries to test nukes outside their borders.

I mean in a way that deliberately goes in the path of other countries' citizens, which is what North Korea is doing.

Azuren said:
I would say if they launch another missile over an allied nation, then a targeted strike on Kim Dong Un's location would be necessary. With their "god" dead, we can begin to help North Korea modernize like South Korea (mostly?) is.

Yes, but how? Do we have some sort of orbital weapon that can specifically locate and kill individual people?

Don't need individual people killed. We need everyone around and including Kim to be killed. A blast big enough to level a building; not a country.



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