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Completely flabbergasted.



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Hiku said:
johnsobas said:
nobody thinks Obama literally tapped Trump's phone line, even Trump went on to explain what he meant by that. We already know some of the phone conversations at Trump tower were monitored, the DOJ already admitted that. It's just a matter if it was politically motivated and was the unmasking of the names of the people monitored politically motivated or a matter of national security.

Why you are bringing this up again I don't know. If they wanted to really deny what Trump said they would not use such lawyer speak about a wiretap, in 2017 you don't wiretap people's phones.

It's not about the term that was used. But whether or not "Sick Obama" ordered the monitoring/surveillance, as Trump claimed. Let alone on Trump Tower.
And there is no evidence supporting the claim that the FISA warrent that FBI and JOD obtained through a court order had any connection to the Obama administration. Certain sites put the name "Obama" in front of the articles because Obama was in office when the FBI and Justice Department recieved the court order.

And from my understanding the target of this court order was an advisor of the Trump campaign being investigated for his connections with Russian agents. Trump Tower would only get involved if this individual contacted people in the Trump Tower.

The way you put it, you make it sound like "Obama didn't order a wire tap, but monitoring". That's not the case either.
The error wasn't in Trump's choice of words. It was the assertion that Obama was behind it.

you are taking everything Trump says way too literally.  



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johnsobas said:
Hiku said:

It's not about the term that was used. But whether or not "Sick Obama" ordered the monitoring/surveillance, as Trump claimed. Let alone on Trump Tower.
And there is no evidence supporting the claim that the FISA warrent that FBI and JOD obtained through a court order had any connection to the Obama administration. Certain sites put the name "Obama" in front of the articles because Obama was in office when the FBI and Justice Department recieved the court order.

And from my understanding the target of this court order was an advisor of the Trump campaign being investigated for his connections with Russian agents. Trump Tower would only get involved if this individual contacted people in the Trump Tower.

The way you put it, you make it sound like "Obama didn't order a wire tap, but monitoring". That's not the case either.
The error wasn't in Trump's choice of words. It was the assertion that Obama was behind it.

you are taking everything Trump says way too literally.  

Well...he is the president, not a comedian.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
johnsobas said:

you are taking everything Trump says way too literally.  

Well...he is the president, not a comedian.

the statement by the DOJ is so narrow it doesn't actually refute or mean anything unless you want to take everything Trump said literally.  Of course we already had Comey refute it as well, but again just in the exact same narrow terms.  The lawyer speak done by the government is just as bad or worse than the loose language that Trump uses.  At least Trump you can kind of understand what he meant since he is so much more open when he speaks than the government.



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Trump lied? Well, I never!



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Snowden says hi...and reminds you WE ARE ALL TAPPED.

NSA at the controls, and Obama left office giving them unheard of leyway to spread their FUD.



SpokenTruth said:
noagenda said:

Snowden says hi...and reminds you WE ARE ALL TAPPED.

NSA at the controls, and Obama left office giving them unheard of leyway to spread their FUD.

*sees username*

You don't say.

Yes, straw man tactic...the tactic of people without evidence.

Are you saying Snowden didn't expose that Eschalon was a fact and all phone lines have been tapped?  He did, in case you haven't been paying attention.  And did Obama use EO to allow NSA to share its snooping with all intelligence agencies?  He did, in case you haven't been paying attention.  In fact, he did it 7 days before leaving office so that info gotten by NSA could be leaked...and it has been leaked for political agendas, not because Trump has done anything illegal.