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d21lewis said:
Random_Matt said:

To be a hybrid the handheld has to become a console in itself. Adding a plastic dock and cable to the television does not make it a hybrid.

Sure it can be used in the same way as any home console, but it's not both primarily in design.

What if it adds a dock, cable, improved performance,  peripherals and USB ports? 

You have missed the point.

A prius is a hybrid, it's doing both. Get it now?

Nintendo fans will define it any way they want, and a neutral will define it any way they want.

My opinion and their opinion isn't going to change.

Guess the definiton is getting based on what it can do, rather than what it ultimately does.



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Random_Matt said:
d21lewis said:

What if it adds a dock, cable, improved performance,  peripherals and USB ports? 

You have missed the point.

A prius is a hybrid, it's doing both. Get it now?

Nintendo fans will define it any way they want, and a neutral will define it any way they want.

My opinion and their opinion isn't going to change.

Guess the definiton is getting based on what it can do, rather than what it ultimately does.

Your going to have to dumb it down for me a little more.

"A Prius is a hybrid. It's doing both"

"The Switch is a hybrid. It's also doing both"

I'm not trying to argue with you. You can call it a sandwich and I wouldn't really care. I just want to know why. Being called a hybrid isn't some great compliment or insult. I just want to know where you are coming from. I think it's a hybrid but if you are willing to explain why it isn't, I'll listen.

 

Also *insert Zapp Brannigan quote about Neutrals*



Random_Matt said:
d21lewis said:

What if it adds a dock, cable, improved performance,  peripherals and USB ports? 

You have missed the point.

A prius is a hybrid, it's doing both. Get it now?

Nintendo fans will define it any way they want, and a neutral will define it any way they want.

My opinion and their opinion isn't going to change.

Guess the definiton is getting based on what it can do, rather than what it ultimately does.

Bad example, Prius is hybrid car of electric and benzine car, and has electric and benzine motor, Switch is home console and handheld in one, its design from start to be hybrid.

You don't have any fact or clear example why Switch isn't hybrid, while I gave you clear facts and strong points why it is.

Also don't say that only Nintendo fans think its hybrid while "neutrals" dont, because that's also not true.



What's wrong with it having handheld capabilities? That's the main reason I like it.

But there's a bit of a difference between this hybrid handheld and a traditional handheld.
1. It is double the acceptable price for a traditional handheld, and for a hybrid, this is below the line of acceptability.
2. It is developing a much higher tie-in ratio, which is similar to home consoles.
3. Software is much more expensive than software on traditional handhelds.


In other words, it gets the benefit of both worlds. Unfortunately, the demand has outstripped Nintendo'd capability to supply since launch. This is the Wii/blue ocean market effect, there's a lot of people who want it and no acceptable competing products.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Is always the same here, people its so out of touch with reality it hurts. Of course the portability makes a difference, but to say that's the reason why its a success, like there wasn't any other reason, is just desperation.



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Miyamotoo said:
DélioPT said:

But i wouldn't use price as a big factor.
You see, if you say that "Switch has price point of Nintendo home console" as a rebuttal, you need to remember that 3DS was priced exactly as the Wii (it was 250 and not 200, as you wrote). Yet, you wouldn't say 3DS was a home console, would you?


Switch having SW price points similar to home consoles, might not be the best argument either.
First, i have seen prices for 3DS Nintendo games, between 45-50. 
Second, i haven't it's known that Switch's cards are more expensive and have caused games to be higher in price (Rime, comes to mind).
Third, i think it was just a matter of time until even handheld games saw a price surge. You can't continue to spend more money in developing more expensive games and not have that reflect on games' prices.

To me, Switch is a hybrid, but even then it's more of a home console because that's where it's strongest at.
As you mentioned, it has a weaker battery, bigger dimensions than what a handheld could offer.

3DS had same price point like Wii that came out 5-6 years earlier, and point is that 3DS didn't sell at all with that price point and Nintendo needed to make big price cut early to in order that 3DS start selling.

You are obvously wrong, Switch has same price point of SW same like Wii U or earlier Wii, and 3DS has same price point of SW like DS had, difference between 3DS and Switch game price point is very obvious. Offical price of AAA 3DS games is $40, ofical price of Switch AAA games is $60. You dont need Rime at all, just look at Nintendo games and you are get picture. Why Switch games have AAA price point of home console, because obvious they are full home console AAA games that run and full home console mode.

http://www.nintendo.com/games/game-guide?pv=true#filter/3ds|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|featured|des|-

http://www.nintendo.com/games/game-guide?pv=true#filter/switch|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|featured|des|-|-

For me Switch is also hybrid.

Look, when you say that Switch isn't a portable becaus it is priced as a home console, then you have to say that 3DS was a home console because because it was also priced as Wii.
If it sold well or not at 250, it's irrelant.
If you don't draw this same conclusion for the same situation, then you'll contradict yourself.

From a price only point of view, you have to be coherent.

I never said that Switch software wasn't priced as Wii or Wii U (actually, it's more as Wii U than as Wii). So, where am i wrong?
I just mentioned that there are other factors that you need to consider instead of reading the price factor as a Nintendo's decision to treat Switch as a home console and therefore, raising the price of it's games.
You need to consider that cartridges' prices also went up and if dev costs went up, prices naturally went up, making it almost irrelevant if we are talking about handhelds or home consoles. As in, taking those two aspects into consideration, even if Switch was just a handheld, prices would most likely be the same as they are today.



The argument is definitely valid for the Japanese market.



Switch is the worst handheld I've ever had but at the same time it's the best portable console. Even when docked it's still the most portable console I've owned that wasn't a dedicated handheld.

And Switch isn't a hybrid. Hybrids are mixtures of A and B to give C which isn't the same as being able to switch between A or B. Prius aren't hybrids either.



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Switch is the worst handheld I've ever had but at the same time it's the best portable console. Even when docked it's still the most portable console I've owned that wasn't a dedicated handheld.

And Switch isn't a hybrid. Hybrids are mixtures of A and B to give C which isn't the same as being able to switch between A or B. Prius aren't hybrids either.

Table top mode?

 

I'm just playing devil's advocate here.



This argument is typically only applied to Japan, which is still true. The Japanese love portable gaming, far more so than home consoles. That's a fact. However, the argument makes little sense in the west, as dedicated handheld gaming is on the precipice of death. Switch doing well outside of Japan is based much more on merit and good software; no denying that. I still wonder though how it's gonna fare in the west this holiday.



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