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If this has been discussed before and all that and there is a consensus on it already, never mind me =p

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Ok so earlier this evening, I was having a conversation about games sales with a friend, who is not into the topic nearly as much as myself. We were talking about what defines a console generation, with examples of things like the PS2 Slim and Xbox One X being thrown around, to try and define the boundaries. As we kept talking, we really started to focus on the PS4 Pro/Xbox One X iteration, as it's kinda doing the opposite of previous iterations. By that I mean, previous generations would iterate to simply make consoles more compact, cooler and quieter. Yes, changing to brand new chips made with a smaller fabrication process etc., but still designed to operate at the same performance specifications. Whereas, this Pro/X iteration is about adding in more performance, making the console bigger, hotter and louder, instead. Yet, there are no excluisive games for it either, so surely it has to be an iteration and not a brand new console, of course, helping us define that boundary. We then raised the point that since it's a pretty big leap into a half-generation of sorts, then the leap to the actual next generation shouldn't be too big either, right?

If we have back-to-back "iterations", with respect to performance specs, maybe consumers would be used to it enough to accept a third, then a fourth, and so on. Maybe the iterations could happen yearly, as the smartphone market seems to do. That market is quite profitable and supports some of the biggest companies in the whole world, in part due to the sheer volumes, helped by the yearly update cycles. That would make the games consoles market more profitable to hardware publishers. There would be less intense R&D costs associated with massive leaps into things like unknown architectures and multiple new technologies being added on, concurrently, each time. The companies could also get away with calling the product just "The Xbox" or "The Playstation" with yearly updates, sometimes adding one big new thing, or just refining to reduce manufacturing costs. Also, that way, they would never run the risk of what happened to Nintendo between the Wii and Wii U, where consumers didn't understand the product and how it was new. In the future, there may also be techncial reasons for this, like the eventual end to Moore's Law and limited possible increases.

Lower R&D costs, much less risk in marketing, higher annual net sales, planning for future technical risks ... Capitalism will always push change towards these objectives. 

Is it fair to predict that, maybe the next console to release in a few years ... Won't be as big of a leap as we're used to, but a move towards smaller iterations? Maybe the next time feels too soon ... but remember that the sooner it would happen, the better, for the corporations, who are in control of when this would be implemented in the first place. Maybe the PS3 to PS4 and Xbox 360 to Xbox One is the last big discreet leap (at the forefront of raw power available at the time, at least) we'll ever get from this industry.

tl;dr the next console releases won't be as massive of a leap as we have seen in previous transitions. Instead, we will eventually be served smaller and smaller iterations, to meet a yearly cycle, like the phone market.



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Nah, we'll have just as big of a leap as last gen if the new consoles release in late 2021 ...



How strong will the new consoles be if they release in 2021? Slightly below a 1070?



I really hope that is not the case. People are seriously expecting PS5 to be a 10 - 12TFLOP machine with 16GB of RAM though. So perhapps you are right. If consumers are that unknowledgeable about console gens, then maybe the manufacturers do just offer half step products going forward.

Personally, I think a mix of iteration, tiers, and generational leaps is the best. I would like to see one more PS4 tier in 2018 to offer current gen in 4K and Solid Gen 1 VR. I think PS5 should launch with at least 3 tiers, $400, $600, $1000. Each basically a 3/5/7 CPU, paired with a 60/70/80 GPU, and 64-128GB of RAM. Then I would like to see that tech evolve for a decade with die shrinks and minor adjustments until another giant leap can be made.

Some will say this is too similar to PC. In ways yes, but the customized, standardized, and optimized tiers would offer a much easier development ecosystem. Additionally on the consumer end you wouldn't have to have Windows to enjoy games, it gives options in the market, which I really would like to see.

Basically, I want to see quantum leaps continue, but I also want to see consoles offer more tiers, and better utilization of advancing fabrication processes. I think massively optimized Smart Boxes have a chance to outsell PC in the future, and there is plenty of room for yearly improvements, and additional form factors in between major industry shifting releases.



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fatslob-:O said:
Nah, we'll have just as big of a leap as last gen if the new consoles release in late 2021 ...

I really hope this gen doesn't end before 2021. The power we have now is fine and I want the leap to be worth it. 



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monocle_layton said:

How strong will the new consoles be if they release in 2021? Slightly below a 1070?

A 1070 by 2021 will be obsolete. So probably above that.



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hunter_alien said:
monocle_layton said:

How strong will the new consoles be if they release in 2021? Slightly below a 1070?

A 1070 by 2021 will be obsolete. So probably above that.

Xbox One and PS4 were obselete before they launched too.



Kerotan said:

I really hope this gen doesn't end before 2021. The power we have now is fine and I want the leap to be worth it. 

Exactly my thoughts, if we're going to make a jump it should be the most worthwhile of them all since next gen may very well be the last gen and I don't want our last games to suffer in technical quality just because of some premature move/planning/thinking ... 

This gen should last as long as the last one did ... (If Xbox 360 lasted 8 years then so should PS4 too.) 

We may suffer now since our update frequency is lower but it won't be so bad if our next gen consoles are backwards compatible at least devs can retroactively patch PS4 games to run better on it's successor ... 

PS5 should be ideally near 2x the power of Vega 64 with 16 GB of HBM3 sporting 2 TB/s of bandwidth ... 



monocle_layton said:

How strong will the new consoles be if they release in 2021? Slightly below a 1070?

If consoles launch in 2021, then they should be significantly stonger than any GPU on the market today. By 2021 7nm will be very mature, and with improved architecture 20+TFLOPs should be easy. We should also be able to have SSD as a standard, and a very large pool of HBM RAM. 

Remember also, every PlayStation to date has had ~16x the RAM of its predecessor. That would mean next gen consoles should have 128GB of RAM. It shounds crazy right now, but by 2021 it will make sense. Not only do we need to go from 2K to 4K assest, but we also have to do it twice for VR. Next gen consoles need to have a massive boost in power, memory, storage, and speed.



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Kerotan said:
fatslob-:O said:
Nah, we'll have just as big of a leap as last gen if the new consoles release in late 2021 ...

I really hope this gen doesn't end before 2021. The power we have now is fine and I want the leap to be worth it. 

*Looks at his Switch*

*Puts down his Switch*

*Goes back to Play on PC*



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