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I doubt they're doing this for hype. You need to remember that Nintendo likes money. So satisfying demand is their worst case scenario. It's cheapest for Nintendo to produce just enough units that people won't riot and storm their HQ. If Nintendo ever produces just a single unit more than people would buy CEO heads will roll.

That's why the virtual console is so bad. The more games they make available digitally, the more digital copies they will have left over. Completely wasted money on precious and expensive bits.



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sethnintendo said:
Kai_Mao said:

The thing also to point out is that Nintendo doesn't have their own manufacturing lines. They have to pay for manufacturing lines with as much orders as they can order. Its not a simple snap of the finger as its not as accessible when needed. That's what they have been facing with Switch manufacturing, especially since there is a year round shortage of the NAND memory chip.

I don't know how many would want this (though having Star Fox 2 and Yoshi's Island would entice customers who want to play these games), given most of the games are either emulated in other avenues or they have the original console and all.

You can't compare scarcity of Switch to the NES/SNES Classics.  There is nothing holding production back except Nintendo.  I work contract manufacturing.  You just described a part shortage of a component that goes into the Switch and somehow applied it to NES/SNES Classic.  Guess what?  There are no part shortages for NES/SNES Classic editions.

I didn't mean to compare, just saying that Nintendo can't do everything.

Since you say you work at contract manufacturing, how does the process work? How does a company just put out like 5 million units at once (for example) as a first shipment?



AlfredoTurkey said:
Darashiva said:
I'm pretty much done trusting Nintendo at this point when it comes to their console promises. After the stupidity with the NES classic they even said that the SNES classic wouldn't have the same kind of supply issues, and yet here we are again. I don't really care anymore at this point, if Nintendo won't bother to produce enough of them to meet demand, then I'm not going to bother even trying to get one.

The fact that the only way to get an SNES classic is to preorder one within the ridiculously small window that the system is available is an absolute travesty on Nintendo's part. Preorder culture is already stupid, with things like preorder exclusive content and other bonuses, but this is taking it way too far.

Same here. Even though I own all of their original hardware and every important game via cart, I still wanted an NES classic for the novelty. But after I found out that I couldn't get one for the price they said it would be ($60.00 for the system and $9.99 for controllers) due to supply issues and scalpers, I gave up. I didn't even care when a SNES classic was announced. I knew it would be pointless and a waste of my energy and blood pressure to try. I suppose the fact that I own the real systems mitigates that... but yeah. It's not worth it. 

Yeah, the sad part is I would have really liked to buy the SNES classic because of how convenient it would be to have all those game in one place, but with how Nintendo does things I'm becoming less and less interested in their systems as a result, which is a shame.



Why buying an overpriced (for the limited things it can do) object that can only play a limited number of pre-installed games when you can play almost every old console game with emulators on PC or on cheap and versatile Android devices?

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Kai_Mao said:
caffeinade said:
Originality...

How many units do we expect Nintendo to produce ahead of time?
If they made ten million units for preorder that would be over half a billion USD in inventory.
There are not many companies in the world that could handle the warehouses / capital required to store all of that.

The thing also to point out is that Nintendo doesn't have their own manufacturing lines. They have to pay for manufacturing lines with as much orders as they can order. Its not a simple snap of the finger as its not as accessible when needed. That's what they have been facing with Switch manufacturing, especially since there is a year round shortage of the NAND memory chip.

I don't know how many would want this (though having Star Fox 2 and Yoshi's Island would entice customers who want to play these games), given most of the games are either emulated in other avenues or they have the original console and all.

To the average consumer, and perhaps even most enthusiast gamers, emulation is like black magic.



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I guess it's a good thing I never intended to get this, or else I'd be pretty frustrated myself.



Kai_Mao said:
sethnintendo said:

You can't compare scarcity of Switch to the NES/SNES Classics.  There is nothing holding production back except Nintendo.  I work contract manufacturing.  You just described a part shortage of a component that goes into the Switch and somehow applied it to NES/SNES Classic.  Guess what?  There are no part shortages for NES/SNES Classic editions.

I didn't mean to compare, just saying that Nintendo can't do everything.

Since you say you work at contract manufacturing, how does the process work? How does a company just put out like 5 million units at once (for example) as a first shipment?

Well there is obviously a ramp up time.  I'm sure the decision to go forward with the SNES was made sometime last year when it became obvious to Nintendo that their was high demand from their retro consoles/games.  I'm sure it is probably the same board being used that was used for the NES Classic (which it is kind of funny that the processing power of the board is better than the 3DS). 

So what has changed?  Basically just the outside plastic shell which I'm sure the molds were complete on those within a small time frame. 

New product you have protoruns (prototypes) to try and work all the kinks out but since the board probably didn't change then there is no need for protoruns unless they changed contract companies, moved it to a different factory or expanded it to multiple factories.  They could expand it to more contract manufacturers (there are shit load such as Foxconn, Flex, Jabil, etc).  This board probably is very basic and easy to produce compared to other boards such as some server boards so expanding it to multiple factories shouldn't be too hard and protoruns at those factories would be less than a few weeks considering the board isn't that complex.  If the board was complex or new design then a protorun can last months or even up to a year trying to work the kinks out but that isn't the case for this instance.

After protoruns are done they then go into a ramp up mode.  That can follow with working 24/7 using either 2 or 3 shifts.  This ramp up mode can go a few months or more but if I had to guess they should have been in full production mode by no later than early Spring of this year.  They should have millions of these produced by now. 



Shadowcat said:
Wow does anybody actually understand economics or are you too lost in the Mushroom Kingdom?
Supply chains can't magically produce millions more Super Nintendos just cuz fanboys whine. There are tonnes of logistics involved in this. Add to that - NINTENDO HAS A HIT SYSTEM CALLED THE SWITCH - heard of it?
The fact that nintendo has increased the supply of Super Nintendos AND Switches for the holiday season is impressive.
Thanks Nintendo! You da best

Tell me all about those shared components between the Switch and the SNES Classic. I'm not sure what's worse, people trying to defend Nintendo or the actual situation itself.



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outlawauron said:
Shadowcat said:
Wow does anybody actually understand economics or are you too lost in the Mushroom Kingdom?
Supply chains can't magically produce millions more Super Nintendos just cuz fanboys whine. There are tonnes of logistics involved in this. Add to that - NINTENDO HAS A HIT SYSTEM CALLED THE SWITCH - heard of it?
The fact that nintendo has increased the supply of Super Nintendos AND Switches for the holiday season is impressive.
Thanks Nintendo! You da best

Tell me all about those shared components between the Switch and the SNES Classic. I'm not sure what's worse, people trying to defend Nintendo or the actual situation itself.

Or people that don't have a clue about manufacturing.  They act like Nintendo's hands are tied behind their backs.



sethnintendo said:
outlawauron said:

Tell me all about those shared components between the Switch and the SNES Classic. I'm not sure what's worse, people trying to defend Nintendo or the actual situation itself.

Or people that don't have a clue about manufacturing.  They act like Nintendo's hands are tied behind their backs.

Very true. I understand that Nintendo can't outbid Apple for components, hence why they're not able to produce more Switch consoles. It's a very rare situation. Nintendo choose to produce this number of units knowing that it would be extremely difficult to get. It's either that or general incompetence.



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