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Mr Puggsly on 22 August 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
Mr Puggsly said:

By your logic every X1 game should be online, which isn't the case.

Years of development and they couldn't find a solution to multiplayer? The UE engine is pretty robust but they couldn't figure it out? I dunno, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Eitherway, safe to assume there is more we aren't hearing.

What a wrong first sentence lol. Not my logic. It's Microsoft's logic. I am the last person who gives a flying fuck about online. I never play online. Ever. MS is the one who admitted they want everything online. Spencer did. Also sick of seeing this topic in blue so ignoring it now.

But not every X1 exclusive is online focused. That's where the "Microsoft logic" doesn't hold water.

Early in the life of X1 online there was certainly a big push for online features, but they've moved away from it as well.



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Mr Puggsly on 22 August 2017
derpysquirtle64 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

By your logic every X1 game should be online, which isn't the case.

Years of development and they couldn't find a solution to multiplayer? The UE engine is pretty robust but they couldn't figure it out? I dunno, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Eitherway, safe to assume there is more we aren't hearing.

Yes. Not every X1 game is online right now. But Microsoft's push for online is obvious now. Because every big AAA game from them is multiplayer-focused. The only games that are not multiplayer-focused and can even not have a multiplayer at all are small titles and indies like Recore, Ori, Super Lucky's Tale, etc. Also, there is no point to add multiplayer in these games because they definitely won't sell on Halo/Gears/Forza, even maybe Crackdown levels. But every Microsoft's big AAA games are multiplayer-focused these days.

With that logic any game with online features is online focused. Even if you wanna pretend Halo, Gears, and Forza is all MS has published this gen, those are notable offline titles as well.



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derpysquirtle64 on 22 August 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

Yes. Not every X1 game is online right now. But Microsoft's push for online is obvious now. Because every big AAA game from them is multiplayer-focused. The only games that are not multiplayer-focused and can even not have a multiplayer at all are small titles and indies like Recore, Ori, Super Lucky's Tale, etc. Also, there is no point to add multiplayer in these games because they definitely won't sell on Halo/Gears/Forza, even maybe Crackdown levels. But every Microsoft's big AAA games are multiplayer-focused these days.

With that logic any game with online features is online focused. Even if you wanna pretend Halo, Gears, and Forza is all MS has published this gen, those are notable offline titles as well.

Have you played Halo 5 and Gears 4? Because single player parts in those games seemed to be there just for the sake of it. It didn't look to me like they've really put too much effort in it. And if you look at multiplayer parts you can see the difference on which one they worked more.



 

darkenergy on 22 August 2017
SegataSanshiro said:
darkenergy said:

Calling the X1 failing when it's almost on par with the 360 in the same time frame doesn't make sense and saying lack of exclusives is ignoring games like Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay 2, Cuphead, etc. 

Nothing is ignored. None of those games compare to the competition and Crackdown 3 was delayed yet again and has had nothing but bad press. 2017 has been vapid for Xbox while Nintendo and Sony are having stellar years. A console that released in 2013 should not be having a worse year than a console released in 2017. The sad part is, it's not even a close race for best exclusives. Xbox is near nonexistent in 2017. I never mentioned sales. You did. Also, you don't know if it's selling as well as 360. MS won't release numbers. That's not a good sign. You seem to be able to read more to a post that is there because if you read carefully.I know it's hard to see but it does say "when it's technically not failing". So let's read this again. I know it's hard to see but it says " I have never seen a console fail so hard when it's technically not failing as weirdly as Xbox One."  Look hard because I am fairly sure that sentence is in there under some hieroglyphics.

Oh really! I miss that Quote! ( Sarcasm off) Microsoft is more focus on services and how many users they have starting in 2014 when Satya Nadella took over MS, how many X1 hardware they sold in itself doesn't really show much of their success so they decided another method. Since you are sick of this topic just ignore this post.



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derpysquirtle64 on 22 August 2017
darkenergy said:
SegataSanshiro said:

Nothing is ignored. None of those games compare to the competition and Crackdown 3 was delayed yet again and has had nothing but bad press. 2017 has been vapid for Xbox while Nintendo and Sony are having stellar years. A console that released in 2013 should not be having a worse year than a console released in 2017. The sad part is, it's not even a close race for best exclusives. Xbox is near nonexistent in 2017. I never mentioned sales. You did. Also, you don't know if it's selling as well as 360. MS won't release numbers. That's not a good sign. You seem to be able to read more to a post that is there because if you read carefully.I know it's hard to see but it does say "when it's technically not failing". So let's read this again. I know it's hard to see but it says " I have never seen a console fail so hard when it's technically not failing as weirdly as Xbox One."  Look hard because I am fairly sure that sentence is in there under some hieroglyphics.

Oh really! I miss that Quote! ( Sarcasm off) Microsoft is more focus on services and how many users they have starting in 2014 when Satya Nadella took over MS, how many X1 hardware they sold in itself doesn't really show much of their success so they decided another method. Since you are sick of this topic just ignore this post.

Yes, but there is one problem with this. It's all that great if all the users of these services get the same experience and not being split by some barriers. And that is something that doesn't really workout well for MS at this point. So, for example what's the point in measuring success by adding Xbox one users to Windows 10 users if both can't play together the same game. Yes, Microsoft is trying to make it happen but right now sometimes it doesn't work.



 

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Mr Puggsly on 22 August 2017
derpysquirtle64 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

With that logic any game with online features is online focused. Even if you wanna pretend Halo, Gears, and Forza is all MS has published this gen, those are notable offline titles as well.

Have you played Halo 5 and Gears 4? Because single player parts in those games seemed to be there just for the sake of it. It didn't look to me like they've really put too much effort in it. And if you look at multiplayer parts you can see the difference on which one they worked more.

I disagree.

Halo 5 didn't have an amazing campaign, could have benefitted by being longer, but the gameplay is great and it had good story telling. A well above average FPS that just left many wanting more.

Gears 4 was another Gears game, it was a top notch cover shooter and easy to recommend for those that want a split screen game.

A big reason I like those games as well is the gameplay actually fun versus being heavily narrative driven. I will replay Halo 5 and Gears 4 campaigns, but I rarely replay heavy story games.



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derpysquirtle64 on 22 August 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

Have you played Halo 5 and Gears 4? Because single player parts in those games seemed to be there just for the sake of it. It didn't look to me like they've really put too much effort in it. And if you look at multiplayer parts you can see the difference on which one they worked more.

I disagree.

Halo 5 didn't have an amazing campaign, could have benefitted by being longer, but the gameplay is great and it had good story telling. A well above average FPS that just left many wanting more.

Gears 4 was another Gears game, it was a top notch cover shooter and easy to recommend for those that want a split screen game.

A big reason I like those games as well is the gameplay actually fun versus being heavily narrative driven. I will replay Halo 5 and Gears 4 campaigns, but I rarely replay heavy story games.

Yes, but this is all subjective. In my opinion Halo 5 had a great shooting mechanics and enemy AI but that's all. The story was so bad that I've barely managed to make myself finish it. I've dropped it several times and went back to it again. And you know, I'm not the one who thinks as well. You can ask a lot of people and I'm almost 100% sure that the majority will say that Halo 5 single player campaign story was bad. Again, because 343i focused on multiplayer way too much. They definitely made a great job here but I wish they've put more effort into single player.

Gears 4 seemed to me way too repetitive I've dropped it after completing act 3. Maybe it's just not my cup of tea. I've not played the first three as well. So this was my first Gears game. The story also wasn't really interesting here as well. Can't really say about it but I think that this game was built multiplayer first as well. Because of how many news and updates were multiplayer-related. 



 

Mr Puggsly on 22 August 2017
derpysquirtle64 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I disagree.

Halo 5 didn't have an amazing campaign, could have benefitted by being longer, but the gameplay is great and it had good story telling. A well above average FPS that just left many wanting more.

Gears 4 was another Gears game, it was a top notch cover shooter and easy to recommend for those that want a split screen game.

A big reason I like those games as well is the gameplay actually fun versus being heavily narrative driven. I will replay Halo 5 and Gears 4 campaigns, but I rarely replay heavy story games.

Yes, but this is all subjective. In my opinion Halo 5 had a great shooting mechanics and enemy AI but that's all. The story was so bad that I've barely managed to make myself finish it. I've dropped it several times and went back to it again. And you know, I'm not the one who thinks as well. You can ask a lot of people and I'm almost 100% sure that the majority will say that Halo 5 single player campaign story was bad. Again, because 343i focused on multiplayer way too much. They definitely made a great job here but I wish they've put more effort into single player.

Gears 4 seemed to me way too repetitive I've dropped it after completing act 3. Maybe it's just not my cup of tea. I've not played the first three as well. So this was my first Gears game. The story also wasn't really interesting here as well. Can't really say about it but I think that this game was built multiplayer first as well. Because of how many news and updates were multiplayer-related. 

No, I don't think most people feel it was bad. But I'm sure most will say it was lacking, need more mission with the Chief. The story was fine, but whatever.

I found Gears 4 no more repetitive than most games shooters.

The multiplayer is where a lot of games make money. That's where they push DLC, microtranactions, etc. That isn't exclusive to Gears 4, but Gears 4 is an exceptionally popular online shooter so they push it.



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Normchacho on 22 August 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
derpysquirtle64 said:

Have you played Halo 5 and Gears 4? Because single player parts in those games seemed to be there just for the sake of it. It didn't look to me like they've really put too much effort in it. And if you look at multiplayer parts you can see the difference on which one they worked more.

I disagree.

Halo 5 didn't have an amazing campaign, could have benefitted by being longer, but the gameplay is great and it had good story telling. A well above average FPS that just left many wanting more.

Gears 4 was another Gears game, it was a top notch cover shooter and easy to recommend for those that want a split screen game.

A big reason I like those games as well is the gameplay actually fun versus being heavily narrative driven. I will replay Halo 5 and Gears 4 campaigns, but I rarely replay heavy story games.

It's downright silly to suggest that Halo 5 and Gears 4 aren't multiplayer focused games. By and large the concensus is that Halo 5 has easily the worst single player in the franchise. The design isn't great, the story is a mess, the pacing is weird. It certainly didn't have the care put into it that the other campaigns in the franchise have had. Gears 4 is much the same story. Sure, it's better than Judgement, but it's not on the same level as the origional trilogy by any stretch.

 

Not there's anything inherently wrong with multiplayer focused games, but it's left a huge hole in their lineup. Especially since so many of the major third party games are multiplayer focused. So rather than complimenting their third party lineup with exclusives, they're directly competing with them.



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KiigelHeart on 22 August 2017

Halo 5 had a good campaign, well above your average FPS campaign as Puggsly said. Story just took a direction many fans didn't like.

Gears of War 4 had a strong single-player focus as well as multiplayer. Saying it's not at the same level as original trilogy I don't agree with at all. Must have something to do with nostalgia. I recently played the trilogy, Gears 4 has better pacing of the story and more intense action stuff. Only the new characters are lame compared to the old gang.