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Chris Hu said:
Donutsticks said:

I guess me and you will just have to disagree, I believe Confederate soldiers deserve to be remembered to. 

If you want to rememeber Confederate soldiers then go to a Confederate cementary no one is against those.  But Confederate Monuments shouldn't be on public property since the main think the stood for is slavery and opression of people.

So where do you think Confederate Monuments belong? Those things are an important part of the souths heritage and history. I understand some people may see those things as racist symbols but that doesn't mean thats what it means to me.  Just like the confederate flag, that flag doesn't stand for racism to me, I see it as just part of my heritage. I understand how you feel about confederate flags and statues but you must understand that how you feel about these things doesn't dictate how the next person feel is going to feel about those things.  If somebody feels like the heritage of these things are important to them then that wouldnt make them racist.  I think it takes hate to be a racist, not something silly like simply  caring about confederate history.



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Chris Hu said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

So, you say that being the supported of an organization, doesn’t necessarily equals believing and sharing the same ideologies, values, views, as that specific organizations. Right, right, I think you’ve just shoot yourself in the foot ….

 

He wasn't a actual member so you can't really blame the 5 death on BLM and the only one that is shooting himself in the foot is you with your comments.

I just love how you’ve totally dismissed what I have said in my reply, you didn’t even tried to use a counter argument, and all you did is to repeat the same sentence that I have replied to on the first place.  Just to give you one more example, maybe that will trigger something in to your brain, you’re basically saying that if a Hamas supporter goes and kills Israelis, Brits (this is something that actually happened), Hamas is not guilty for that supporter action, because he wasn’t a member.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

No immigrant, no black person, etc. gives two shits about "stopping white culture". In fact many/most enjoy white culture too. 

People just want a better quality of life, that's it period. We have a planet with 7 billion people, some of them are going to want oppurtunities available to them in the West. The last thing on the minds of most of these people is anything to do with eradicating any culture. 

You are still free to do whatever "white cultural" things you want. That said "culture" is not some monolithic thing, most "white people" from 200 years ago wouldn't recoginize modern culture at all, not becuse of immigrants but because life changes radically. It's not white people are walking around dressed in lagerhosen. 

Racial identity is losing it's "be all/end all" appeal, but that's simply logically, that could only maintain itself in a world where relatively speaking where there is no modern technology. But in a world where there is cheap mass transportation, internet, television, a global economy, etc. etc. that exposes people to the entire world from a young age and allows them to travel anywhere easily, humanity was always going to be very different from that point on. 

Europeans need to stop mixing America in with that too ... America is and always has been fairly different from Europe. For one, in America most whites don't really identify any real European specific heritage let alone speak any non-English European languges or give two shits about anything Europe really. If you can took the names off the map it's likely most white people here couldn't even name all the European countries. It's a wholly different culture and it's always had people of color and today is inevitbly headed towards a 50-50 split wherein there is no majority group.

I don't accuse immigrants of wanting to eradicate or stop white culture, although I accuse many Western socialists of it because they're often outspoken enemies of nation states and seek a globalized world. But still, due to demographic reasons and mathematical facts, these people who you describe "are going to want opportunities available to them in the West" will completely change the nature of the West into something I'm deeply opposed to, for a huge variety of reasons (cultural, economic, crime, development level, ethical and so on).

You're talking about a 50-50 split, but that's only the next step. What comes after that? 60-40, 70-30, 80-20... and eventually total annihilation. Because there's almost no end to people from the third world who wants to live here.

Already today the society I live in is negatively affected by this mass movement of people, and like I've said many times, young ethnic Swedes are only a few years away from becoming a minority. In their own freaking country! How can that be right? Fast forward only a couple decades and we're a clear minority. Look even further in the future and we'll be a tiny minority. Dominated by foreigners and foreign culture, completely subjugated to their will.

I am already living in a society with many alien cultural expressions I simply do not like, with lots of people who don't feel any loyalty or solidarity to the nation and other citizens except for their own tribes, with a strained economy that means I have to work much harder to be able to help and support my loved ones, with increased crime and chaos, with corrupted institutions, with perverted morals and societal rules. And it just keeps going in the wrong direction by each day.

I absolutely totally reject that, and there's no natural law or something unavoidable that says such a development cannot be avoided. And there's nothing that says that this development must progress at the absolutely insane speed it's doing today, where the streets and neighborhoods are changing in front of your eyes almost from day to day. Where all of a sudden you feel like a stranger walking in your own country.

I agree that America in its nature is a lot more naturally multicultural in many ways, than European nations are. It's largely a melting pot and I don't have a problem with some nations being multicultural, like settler nations like the USA. Therefore I'm not nearly as passionate in opposing migration in the case of the US as I am when it comes to European nations. And yet, I recognize the US as a predominantly white nation and I prefer that setting quite strongly.

It's very similar to how I don't want any other nation in the world to become dominated by foreigners, be it Japan, Greece, Nigeria, Poland, Chile, Germany, Korea, Russia, United Kingdom or Italy etc etc.

It sounds like you just have a general phobia of other races. Sounds almost crippling to the point of anxiety. Many other cultures and races don't experience terror at being a minority unless the majority panics and turns on them. White people aren't going anywhere. Even in a scenario where whites became the minority, it wouldn't be for generations. Why even be concerned about it now?



ratuscafoarterea said:
Chris Hu said:

He wasn't a actual member so you can't really blame the 5 death on BLM and the only one that is shooting himself in the foot is you with your comments.

I just love how you’ve totally dismissed what I have said in my reply, you didn’t even tried to use a counter argument, and all you did is to repeat the same sentence that I have replied to on the first place.  Just to give you one more example, maybe that will trigger something in to your brain, you’re basically saying that if a Hamas supporter goes and kills Israelis, Brits (this is something that actually happened), Hamas is not guilty for that supporter action, because he wasn’t a member.

 

No you are trying to bring HAMAS into this argument quit already I pretty sure your running out of places in your foot that haven't been shot yet.



Chris Hu said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

I just love how you’ve totally dismissed what I have said in my reply, you didn’t even tried to use a counter argument, and all you did is to repeat the same sentence that I have replied to on the first place.  Just to give you one more example, maybe that will trigger something in to your brain, you’re basically saying that if a Hamas supporter goes and kills Israelis, Brits (this is something that actually happened), Hamas is not guilty for that supporter action, because he wasn’t a member.

 

No you are trying to bring HAMAS into this argument quit already I pretty sure your running out of places in your foot that haven't been shot yet.

Nope, you know you don't have a logical counter argument to what I've just said, you know that supporter of an organissations means that supporter endorses the values, views, ideologies that particular organization teaches, and yet you continue to put the blame on someone else then where it belongs.



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RJ_Sizzle said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't accuse immigrants of wanting to eradicate or stop white culture, although I accuse many Western socialists of it because they're often outspoken enemies of nation states and seek a globalized world. But still, due to demographic reasons and mathematical facts, these people who you describe "are going to want opportunities available to them in the West" will completely change the nature of the West into something I'm deeply opposed to, for a huge variety of reasons (cultural, economic, crime, development level, ethical and so on).

You're talking about a 50-50 split, but that's only the next step. What comes after that? 60-40, 70-30, 80-20... and eventually total annihilation. Because there's almost no end to people from the third world who wants to live here.

Already today the society I live in is negatively affected by this mass movement of people, and like I've said many times, young ethnic Swedes are only a few years away from becoming a minority. In their own freaking country! How can that be right? Fast forward only a couple decades and we're a clear minority. Look even further in the future and we'll be a tiny minority. Dominated by foreigners and foreign culture, completely subjugated to their will.

I am already living in a society with many alien cultural expressions I simply do not like, with lots of people who don't feel any loyalty or solidarity to the nation and other citizens except for their own tribes, with a strained economy that means I have to work much harder to be able to help and support my loved ones, with increased crime and chaos, with corrupted institutions, with perverted morals and societal rules. And it just keeps going in the wrong direction by each day.

I absolutely totally reject that, and there's no natural law or something unavoidable that says such a development cannot be avoided. And there's nothing that says that this development must progress at the absolutely insane speed it's doing today, where the streets and neighborhoods are changing in front of your eyes almost from day to day. Where all of a sudden you feel like a stranger walking in your own country.

I agree that America in its nature is a lot more naturally multicultural in many ways, than European nations are. It's largely a melting pot and I don't have a problem with some nations being multicultural, like settler nations like the USA. Therefore I'm not nearly as passionate in opposing migration in the case of the US as I am when it comes to European nations. And yet, I recognize the US as a predominantly white nation and I prefer that setting quite strongly.

It's very similar to how I don't want any other nation in the world to become dominated by foreigners, be it Japan, Greece, Nigeria, Poland, Chile, Germany, Korea, Russia, United Kingdom or Italy etc etc.

It sounds like you just have a general phobia of other races. Sounds almost crippling to the point of anxiety. Many other cultures and races don't experience terror at being a minority unless the majority panics and turns on them. White people aren't going anywhere. Even in a scenario where whites became the minority, it wouldn't be for generations. Why even be concerned about it now?

If someone very close to you got gang raped by foreigners and another one physically assaulted and beaten up by foreigners, would you categorize the psychological effects of that as a "phobia" and "anxiety"?

I just explained in my post that I am experiencing these problems right now, and the point when young Swedes are in minority is just a few years away.

So why be concerned? Why be concerned about anything, right?



RJ_Sizzle said:
Slimebeast said:

I don't accuse immigrants of wanting to eradicate or stop white culture, although I accuse many Western socialists of it because they're often outspoken enemies of nation states and seek a globalized world. But still, due to demographic reasons and mathematical facts, these people who you describe "are going to want opportunities available to them in the West" will completely change the nature of the West into something I'm deeply opposed to, for a huge variety of reasons (cultural, economic, crime, development level, ethical and so on).

You're talking about a 50-50 split, but that's only the next step. What comes after that? 60-40, 70-30, 80-20... and eventually total annihilation. Because there's almost no end to people from the third world who wants to live here.

Already today the society I live in is negatively affected by this mass movement of people, and like I've said many times, young ethnic Swedes are only a few years away from becoming a minority. In their own freaking country! How can that be right? Fast forward only a couple decades and we're a clear minority. Look even further in the future and we'll be a tiny minority. Dominated by foreigners and foreign culture, completely subjugated to their will.

I am already living in a society with many alien cultural expressions I simply do not like, with lots of people who don't feel any loyalty or solidarity to the nation and other citizens except for their own tribes, with a strained economy that means I have to work much harder to be able to help and support my loved ones, with increased crime and chaos, with corrupted institutions, with perverted morals and societal rules. And it just keeps going in the wrong direction by each day.

I absolutely totally reject that, and there's no natural law or something unavoidable that says such a development cannot be avoided. And there's nothing that says that this development must progress at the absolutely insane speed it's doing today, where the streets and neighborhoods are changing in front of your eyes almost from day to day. Where all of a sudden you feel like a stranger walking in your own country.

I agree that America in its nature is a lot more naturally multicultural in many ways, than European nations are. It's largely a melting pot and I don't have a problem with some nations being multicultural, like settler nations like the USA. Therefore I'm not nearly as passionate in opposing migration in the case of the US as I am when it comes to European nations. And yet, I recognize the US as a predominantly white nation and I prefer that setting quite strongly.

It's very similar to how I don't want any other nation in the world to become dominated by foreigners, be it Japan, Greece, Nigeria, Poland, Chile, Germany, Korea, Russia, United Kingdom or Italy etc etc.

It sounds like you just have a general phobia of other races. Sounds almost crippling to the point of anxiety. Many other cultures and races don't experience terror at being a minority unless the majority panics and turns on them. White people aren't going anywhere. Even in a scenario where whites became the minority, it wouldn't be for generations. Why even be concerned about it now?

Exactly. Generally speaking as well I think as other countries modernize, there will be fewer people wanting to come to Europe anyway. 

Sweden is a bit of an outlier too ... it's such a tiny population to begin with compared to virtually every other advanced wealthy nation. 

Fact is Europe will be majority white for all of our lifetimes, and once you're a dead fart no one will really give a crap about your 20th century centric qualms anyway. In 100 years humanity will start to be much more different anyway with genetic engineering and who knows perhaps the even the end of aging/death (too bad for our generation, we likely just miss the cut off, lol). 

America is a melting pot, but it has been for a long time anyway. 



Slimebeast said:
Chris Hu said:

They are not important part of our history the Confederacy main legacy was slavery plus they where traitors what is next you want statues of Benedict Arnold.  Also you should actually read the wiki threads you linked and you would realize that pretty much all of the remainig statues of Lenin, Stalin and Marx are now on private property and not public land like before the fall of the wall.   So yeah anthor useless reply.  Also going back to your previous useless reply since no country actually ever had a real communist government the actual death toll from communism is actually close to zero not 80 million.  Unregulated capitalism which is the polar oposite of communism on the other hand has a death toll way above 100 million.  Unregulated capitalism gave us such plesantries as slavery, slave wages, child labor, 40+ hour work weeks, unsafe work enviroments, massive polution etc. etc.

This in a nutshell is why communism is so dangerous and why it's the worst poison that has ever afflicted mankind.

Sure communism is very dangerous even though we never actually had a real communist country. 



Chris Hu said:
Slimebeast said:

This in a nutshell is why communism is so dangerous and why it's the worst poison that has ever afflicted mankind.

Sure communism is very dangerous even though we never actually had a real communist country

Sure, sure, whatever you say, but just so you know, multiple users have asked you to explain what that “real communism” is and how it works, and you still haven’t enlighten us … it only shows you have no clue what you’re talking about.



ratuscafoarterea said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I guess you missed the fact check I did earlier, or you're one of those that will down play facts. Since 2015, there have been 16 death cause by white supremacist, and 0 from antifa. I suggest you go take a look at that. You sound like a Nazi sympathizer.

From the top of my head, I remember last year there was an incident where a BLM supporter killed five cops in Dallas, and then another BLM supporter killed three cops at Baton Rouge.  And before you’re going to say that Antifa and BLM are different, that’s not the case, Antifa was created to support BLM.

 

There were lone gunmen, not part of BLM. And before you say anything else, that's how they're portrayed by the police and media, and by themselves.



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