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VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"Modern narchism derived as a left-wing movement"

 

well you saying so doesn't make that the case... anarchy is not some political movement that people came up with - it is the nature of humans before they come together in groups to cooperate

 

where are you getting this idea that anarchy is some politcal ideology that people suddenly came up with recently? that idea on the other hand can definitely be levelled to socialism and communism

 

" Anarcho-communism"

 

is an oxymoron unless you are speaking about an incredibly small group of people and even then i'm not so sure it even exists on that level

 

can you describe for me how a system that is entirely about individual freedom with no centralised enforcement body be connected to a system that is entirely about making sure everyone is contrained to one level or class through the use of a centralised enforcement body?

 

how do you not see that they are complete opposites?

 

" And the Soviet Union wasn't a communist system"

 

and what was the soviet union therefore?

You know, that's why the term "modern" was put in there. And if you're saying how it'd be referring to the nature of humans, how could it be capitalist? Capitalism is a fairly recent idea itself. And communism is not based on a centralized enforcement body, that was the "dictatorship of the proletariat" that Marx theorized to suppress counter-revolutionary dissent before it's dismantled once it's not needed, and the vanguard party used by Lenin. The Soviet Union itself was obviously a very authoritarian state, and the idea of communism involves a stateless society, so they cannot co-exist.

 

"communism is not based on a centralized enforcement body" "the idea of communism involves a stateless society"

then how can you have a communist system?

why would people submit to being relegated to one class if there is no coersion to force them to do so?

 

"And if you're saying how it'd be referring to the nature of humans, how could it be capitalist? Capitalism is a fairly recent idea itself."

the idea of people working for themselves to provide for themselves is a recent idea? so what do you think humans have been doing to survive from the very beginning?



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CGI-Quality said:
barneystinson69 said:

Could you post a link to any of those pics? Would be a smoking gun for sure.

Alright, thats all I needed. Now people can calm down now that I've seen the proof. Hopefully Trump does come out an condemn what these people did, and hopefully he spends the rest of his miserable days in prison.



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Soundwave said:
barneystinson69 said:

Thats a bit of an accusation, don't you think? I've made the mistake of calling out terrorism in Europe before the police confirmed it, so lets just wait and see. I don't in any way support the groups that were protesting yesterday, and if he is a white supremacist, I'll be more than happy to get on board with everyone else.

I'm just calling out a double standard where I see it. And yes you are very quick to rush to judgement in the past if it looks like a terrorist of a different stripe, yet in this case you give this guy every benefit of the doubt, one can't help but wonder what the difference is. Some of the stuff is laughably close to what people say in those other cases too just tweaked a bit. "Hey drank alchohol and partied with non-believers! Would an extremist do that?" is basically the equivalent of "he couldn't be racist! He has a black friend/acquantice!". C'mon. 

Your right, and I have since backed off from that. We haven't seen a terrorist attack in a while, so hopefully the discussion won't have to be had. 



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sundin13 said:
barneystinson69 said:

As I said, until the police can confirm anything, we are still in the dark. People could be losing their shit for nothing. His mother said he had a black friend, so lets just wait this out.

"I have a black friend" is just about the worst excuse imaginable. 

Here's some propaganda from Vanguard America:

And here's the pic of him demonstrating with that group:

 

lol the hammer and sickle so they are pushing communism

the same symbol the anti fascist are carrying btw

 

 

how ironic lol



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

You know, that's why the term "modern" was put in there. And if you're saying how it'd be referring to the nature of humans, how could it be capitalist? Capitalism is a fairly recent idea itself. And communism is not based on a centralized enforcement body, that was the "dictatorship of the proletariat" that Marx theorized to suppress counter-revolutionary dissent before it's dismantled once it's not needed, and the vanguard party used by Lenin. The Soviet Union itself was obviously a very authoritarian state, and the idea of communism involves a stateless society, so they cannot co-exist.

 

"communism is not based on a centralized enforcement body" "the idea of communism involves a stateless society"

then how can you have a communist system?

why would people submit to being relegated to one class if there is no coersion to force them to do so?

 

"And if you're saying how it'd be referring to the nature of humans, how could it be capitalist? Capitalism is a fairly recent idea itself."

the idea of people working for themselves to provide for themselves is a recent idea? so what do you think humans have been doing to survive from the very beginning?

It wouldn't be so much as people being coerced to being relegated to a class as it'd be the working class refusing to be taken advantage of like they have. And Capitalism is not based on people working for themselves, the vast majority of people have a boss that they work for.



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o_O.Q said:

 

lol the hammer and sickle so they are pushing communism

the same symbol the anti fascist are carrying btw

how ironic lol

I think they are implying that communism is evil, in the same way they put the Star of David on the skull's forehead to imply Jews are evil (or something). You can also see "Marxism" listed in the bad things behind the skull. They certainly don't seem to be pro-communism.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"communism is not based on a centralized enforcement body" "the idea of communism involves a stateless society"

then how can you have a communist system?

why would people submit to being relegated to one class if there is no coersion to force them to do so?

 

"And if you're saying how it'd be referring to the nature of humans, how could it be capitalist? Capitalism is a fairly recent idea itself."

the idea of people working for themselves to provide for themselves is a recent idea? so what do you think humans have been doing to survive from the very beginning?

It wouldn't be so much as people being coerced to being relegated to a class as it'd be the working class refusing to be taken advantage of like they have. And Capitalism is not based on people working for themselves, the vast majority of people have a boss that they work for.

 

"It wouldn't be so much as people being coerced to being relegated to a class as it'd be the working class refusing to be taken advantage of like they have."

 

you still aren't explaining to me why people would choose to not strive to be better than other people without coersion or force or whatever

lets say tomorrow you destroy all business and do a global reset back to everyone having nothing

there are going to be people who are smarter than others who will be able to gather resource better than everyone else... how do you stop them from rising to the top and dominating again?


"Capitalism is not based on people working for themselves"


capitalism is about private ownership of whatever method you use to sustain yourself which is as i just said how mankind has worked from the beginning

communism is about taking away that method from the private owners and handing them to the state to be regulated

 

"the vast majority of people have a boss that they work for."


true and they also have the option to start their own business or grow their own vegetables or whatever and that is capitalism

under communism they would not be able to do so since it would all be regulated, which ironically means that all individuals would be subject to the whims of the state  - whether they are mistreated or not 



sundin13 said:
o_O.Q said:

 

lol the hammer and sickle so they are pushing communism

the same symbol the anti fascist are carrying btw

how ironic lol

I think they are implying that communism is evil, in the same way they put the Star of David on the skull's forehead to imply Jews are evil (or something). You can also see "Marxism" listed in the bad things behind the skull. They certainly don't seem to be pro-communism.

oh well my bad then



o_O.Q said:
sundin13 said:

"I have a black friend" is just about the worst excuse imaginable. 

Here's some propaganda from Vanguard America:

And here's the pic of him demonstrating with that group:

 

lol the hammer and sickle so they are pushing communism

the same symbol the anti fascist are carrying btw

 

how ironic lol

Are you serious?

Saying that pic means they're pushing communism merely because of the inclusion of the hammer and sickle is like saying this is a pro-nazi symbol because there's a swastika in it:



sundin13 said:
barneystinson69 said:

As I said, until the police can confirm anything, we are still in the dark. People could be losing their shit for nothing. His mother said he had a black friend, so lets just wait this out.

"I have a black friend" is just about the worst excuse imaginable. 

Here's some propaganda from Vanguard America:

And here's the pic of him demonstrating with that group:

Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwww COME OON!!!! 

He just got lost on the way to the porta potty!!! He got mixed in with the crowd!