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Healthcare you want for the US

Single Payer (All taxes) 83 57.24%
 
Multi-Payer (Government option) 24 16.55%
 
Heavy regulations (Capita... 6 4.14%
 
Moderate regulation 14 9.66%
 
No regulation 14 9.66%
 
Alternative Medicine 4 2.76%
 
Total:145
DonFerrari on 30 July 2017
sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

Bribing the voters with promises based on taxpayers money is good then?

yes a law forbiding negotiation is a bad thing and government "taking care" to things is exactaly what enables most of it. A single body negotiating hundred billions dollars that can be used to buy not what is better to all, but what is more interesting to them is the problem. Socialist and the like fail to notice this exact point. You'll complain about politics being corrupt but then will say you want government to be even bigger. Or say corporations are greedy or that they explore their employees while their margins are like 10% and the government taxes on the people is 40%. Who is the real gready explorer?

Open the accountability of the to health companies in USA and see if their profit margins are 3x higher than other places.

Again. individual contributions solve nothing as they can mask all donations with proxy donors.

Public domations are better than secret ones because you know they are hapening. And that is why lobby was made legal.

We all know the hypocrisy of the rich leftwingers.

You don't need it. Will give you two very good examples of how much good rice regulation does... Brazil during 80's and early 90's and Venezuela of now... do you know what happens when government force or freeze prices? The products stop being made.

You mean the ones on verge of bankrucy and that are less than 10% the size of USA?

 

That's funny because I know for a fact that Norway is doing a hell a lot better than us financial wise. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/11/oil-fund-norway-millionaires_n_4576887.html

You mean a country that is 10% the size, because you manage a microcompany just like a multinational.

And long term most of the wellfare states are decaying financially. And in the case in point you are basically pointing to a very lucrative and state milked commodity to fund it in a way that wouldn't work in USA.

I'll repeat to you again. Even in the best managed public service you'll have at least 3 cons. Impossibility of rightly gauging demand because of "free price", extra overhead because of government managing the money and investiment, adjusment to reality of each smaller reality because of the big size and in last case the lack of competition that make everything more costier to users and less efficient.



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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Cerebralbore101 on 30 July 2017
DonFerrari said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Yeah, we really just need price regulation in the U.S. But all the politicians are in the pocketbooks of corperations so it won't happen. 

You don't need it. Will give you two very good examples of how much good rice regulation does... Brazil during 80's and early 90's and Venezuela of now... do you know what happens when government force or freeze prices? The products stop being made.

Errorist76 said:

Yah, you know as earlier in this thread people will label it as 'communist' and unrealistic socialist ideas anyway, even though the most developed countries on this planet with the highest standard of life use such a system.

You mean the ones on verge of bankrucy and that are less than 10% the size of USA?

I need to go back and read my old econ 101 textbook. Price regulation isn't the answer. 



DonFerrari on 30 July 2017
Cerebralbore101 said:
DonFerrari said:

You don't need it. Will give you two very good examples of how much good rice regulation does... Brazil during 80's and early 90's and Venezuela of now... do you know what happens when government force or freeze prices? The products stop being made.

You mean the ones on verge of bankrucy and that are less than 10% the size of USA?

I need to go back and read my old econ 101 textbook. Price regulation isn't the answer. 

Do it. Read a little Hayek and Mises on the way.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Machiavellian on 30 July 2017

I wonder if this is just another of Trumps bluffs
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-threatens-to-end-obamacare-payments-unless-repeal-passes/ar-AAp1dLH

If not, then things should get interesting to see how this fallout will effect insurance premiums.



outlawauron on 30 July 2017
sethnintendo said:
DonFerrari said:

Bribing the voters with promises based on taxpayers money is good then?

yes a law forbiding negotiation is a bad thing and government "taking care" to things is exactaly what enables most of it. A single body negotiating hundred billions dollars that can be used to buy not what is better to all, but what is more interesting to them is the problem. Socialist and the like fail to notice this exact point. You'll complain about politics being corrupt but then will say you want government to be even bigger. Or say corporations are greedy or that they explore their employees while their margins are like 10% and the government taxes on the people is 40%. Who is the real gready explorer?

Open the accountability of the to health companies in USA and see if their profit margins are 3x higher than other places.

Again. individual contributions solve nothing as they can mask all donations with proxy donors.

Public domations are better than secret ones because you know they are hapening. And that is why lobby was made legal.

We all know the hypocrisy of the rich leftwingers.

You don't need it. Will give you two very good examples of how much good rice regulation does... Brazil during 80's and early 90's and Venezuela of now... do you know what happens when government force or freeze prices? The products stop being made.

You mean the ones on verge of bankrucy and that are less than 10% the size of USA?

 

That's funny because I know for a fact that Norway is doing a hell a lot better than us financial wise. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/11/oil-fund-norway-millionaires_n_4576887.html

Because Norway actually has oil. Without their oil, they'd be in an horrific position.



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Teeqoz on 30 July 2017
LurkerJ said:
Teeqoz said:

Yeah, if only republicans hadn't broke Obamacare to begin with, maybe you wouldn't have to deal with this shit.

Care to elaborate?

Obamacare is such a washed down version of what democrats worked for at the time. Many democrats wanted a federal public health insurance provider that could compete with the private companies to push the prices lower but this had to be cut in order to get the bill passed. There are probably many smaller amendments as well, though I'm not familiar with all of them.

Anyway, anything that is only half way either direction won't work. You have to take a full step towards your goal, you can't just slightly tilt forward. Which is what Obamacare became. And that's why it doesn't work.



sethnintendo on 01 August 2017
outlawauron said:
sethnintendo said:

 

That's funny because I know for a fact that Norway is doing a hell a lot better than us financial wise. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/01/11/oil-fund-norway-millionaires_n_4576887.html

Because Norway actually has oil. Without their oil, they'd be in an horrific position.

Well apparently due to questionable fracking process USA has access to tons of natural gas and oil still.  So why can't we have a trillion in surplus?  Because we spend more than we raise.