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Forums - Politics - Trump Announces Ban on Transgender People in US Military

 

You support this?

No. 206 29.68%
 
Yes. 311 44.81%
 
^ What the hell is wrong ... 177 25.50%
 
Total:694
Superman4 said:
mizzou_guy said:

I'm having trouble finding if they are all actually trained for combat, but 80 percent of military is made up of non-combative roles:

http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/military-myths.html

Transgender people are just as capable of combat training as anyone else.  Maybe not when they are actually going through the transition, but before and after should be no issue.

 


Considering I was in the Marines, I can guarantee you they are all trained for combat, which is the purpose of Boot camp. Your MOS or job outside of boot camp may not be entirely combat related but in a time of war every position in the military is combat related. A cook on a ship still needs to be ready and able to fight should that ship get hit by enemy fire or get overrun by enemy combatants. 

But again, what makes a transgender person unable to perform combat?  Granted, you're probably not going to be combat training a transgender person right after they have had the major surgery, but before they transition and after they transition, they are just as physically capable as anyone else to do physical tasks.  Also, as I already said and you ignored from my post that you quoted, 80% of the jobs in the military are non-combat positions, meaning they can easily find a job in IT, administration, cooking, etc.

Tell me what makes a transgender person icapable of performing combat when necessary (outside of the surgery window for the transition) or unable to fill a domestic position in the military?



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I agree with this Especially since this decision was made by Mattis and not Trump, not to mention that Trans people don't even make up 1% of the US population.



This poll is surprisingly close o.O
Although there are the 38 people who basically voted "no" with the third option :)



Obviously just a A PR gag to distract from the healthcare and Russia disaster.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

It's always funny to hear the American left say that the country is full of idiots and idiocracy has become true.

They've had hugely disproportionate influence in their country's education system and media for decades (and thank to America's power, they've also had influence in other countries' media and education systems as well).

If the country has become more ignorant, then whose fault is that?

If people have come to think that feels are more important than reals, then whose fault is that?

If people have come to think that portraying themselves as victims will help them win arguments, then whose fault is that?

If people have come to think that the establishment is inherently corrupt and untrustworthy, then whose fault is that?

If people have come to think that truth is subjective and relative rather than objective and absolute, then whose fault is that?

Who taught people to think that way?



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(Raises budget by 500 billion)

"We can't have transgender people! What about the budget!"



d21lewis said:

There's a lot to consider and quite frankly, I haven't done the research. I have served in the military, though. I'll give my two cents:

The military has a standard of discipline, physical appearance, physical ability, and mental sharpness. The men and women who enlist have to be capable of accomplishing and supporting a variety of tasks. When a mission must be executed, they choose the best and most capable. The ones conditioned for the job at hand.

If, for example, a female who identifies as a male goes through basic training with other males, will that person be able to live up to the physical standards? Will they be the "weak link"? Will they distract from the vital lessons being taught by instructors?

I've read that many in the LGBT community are more likely to be depressed, suicidal, or have other mental issues. I'm not doctor and I'm not trying to be disrespectful. Would hormone treatments play into this?

I'm not a fan of President Trump. I have no issues with Donald Trump but President Trump is a whole other beast. I rarely agree with his decisions but this time, I can see his point of view.

And that's what I think he's counting on. The majority uniting behind him against a few. At one point in time, the idea of women in the military was preposterous. At one time, the idea of blacks in the military was madness. There was a lot of "pushback" before that became the norm. Maybe this will be, too. Right now, I'm seeing the potential downsides that could effect our military's effectiveness.

My mind is open so my stance could change. Educate me.

I support Trump more than you, so I'm sure we're at odds on other things, but what I feel people should take away from the history you bring up is that progress is a process. Of course there would have been friction at each point the military became more open with respect to blacks, women, etc.  People shouldn't recognize this as a "be all end all."

He's simply slowing things down from my point of view. Integration of new ideas is always best done slow in my opinion, it's actually why I support smaller forms of government. State-level policies and ideas (marriage, marijuna, healthcare, etc.) trickle from one state to another as each new state's implementation observes the positives and negatives of the implementation before it. Furthermore, the ideas can slowly be digested by society so that they can finally be viewed as uncontroversial when it must be put forth as federal law.

I'm sure transgenderism will make progress in the military, but it is a hot button issue right now and needs cool down time. And like others have echoed, if its medical and gender-interaction consequences mirror those already found with asthmatics and gender-instinct issues, then there is already some legitimate grounds.



Kudistos Megistos said:

It's always funny to hear the American left say that the country is full of idiots and idiocracy has become true.

They've had hugely disproportionate influence in their country's education system and media for decades (and thank to America's power, they've also had influence in other countries' media and education systems as well).

If the country has become more ignorant, then whose fault is that?

If people have come to think that feels are more important than reals, then whose fault is that?

If people have come to think that portraying themselves as victims will help them win arguments, then whose fault is that?

If people have come to think that the establishment is inherently corrupt and untrustworthy, then whose fault is that?

If people have come to think that truth is subjective and relative rather than objective and absolute, then whose fault is that?

Who taught people to think that way?

Umm, first I have a question to ask. When you say "American left", what exactly are you implying? The left, as viewed by the common American, or Americans that are leftist? That is very important.



This trans women/men enlisted to serve their country... but a big fuck you to them for banning them...
all those who agree just want to click "yes", but not give their reason is kinda bothering.

I feel like trump is trying to offend left wing as a distraction for all the investigation he is/will be facing.



 

d21lewis said:



I've read that many in the LGBT community are more likely to be depressed, suicidal, or have other mental issues. I'm not doctor and I'm not trying to be disrespectful. Would hormone treatments play into this?

No, they are likely to be depressed because sometimes they don't feel accepted by their family, their society or even themself, shitty measures like this don't help.