onepiece, you know what I mean. They weren't failures. It's just that neither of them could even blow in the direction of the Ps one and Ps2 because both were so far away. The Wii will be the first console ever to compete against one of them though.

What do you expect between the 2 best console makers in history?

Well done PS3! Get that ever elusive price-cut and sales will be amazing :D

That would be a worthwhile comparison if the Gamecube cost half the price of the PS2.

Price is the single biggest factor for the mainstream casual market, and sales increases as a result of price cuts reflect this fact. The PS3 is the only console that doesn't have an SKU within the mass market price point. 

congratz to the PS3

 That is the whole point of that game, to appeal to not the typical PS3 user but bring in a new crowd.

The casual and hardcore consoles, both labels I despise really, have already been decided. Neither console will capture much of the market the other has targeted so suggesting a price drop and a title or two is all it will take is like staring at the wind and taking a piss hoping not to get hit.



Congrats to PS3 for hitting 5 million. Europe has certainly come through for them....again. Spain likes Sony because the market has allowed Sony to set up PS stores over there to the point it has become ubiquitous. Spain, and Europe as a whole, has an "I play my fathers console" mentality. Meaning they are very brand loyal.

Casuals go for a console that has many casual/non-gamer type games on them, and doesn't come with a hefty price. The Wii filled this description with it's relatively low price (though not cheap in any sense) and fun simply games like WiiSports. Now, casuals can go play games like Mario (which isn't a completely hardcore game anyway), but like you said, they don't play games as often as we do, so they are unlikely to go for another console when they can't play games on their first console all the time already. That's why it's so important to grab the casuals, because they are very unlikely to own more than one console.

It's interesting that the PS3 is just doing so well in Others, with nearly 50% of it's userbase in that region. It's also interesting that the 360 is the exact opposite in a way, with more than 50% of it's userbase in NA. The Wii is pretty diverse, around 45% of it's userbase in NA, 35% in Others, and 20% in Japan. These are rough estimates. It's good that each console has it's own strengths. Mario Kart next week should add a lot of interesting discussions, not to mention GTA4 the week after that (or in 2 weeks..?).

I think i have to agree with you on that one Soriku... I wish it wasn't though but i just can't see the game doing as well with the casuals as some people are hoping!

You never know, it might be a sleeper hit though, will just have to wait and see what happens close to and on release!

Congrats to Sony. "Others" is Sony's best chance of winning a region this generation.

Leo-j, the casuals will not be flocking towards the PS3.

1) There are no games that casuals will want. According to Gamerankings, the only casual games that are decent are Rock Band and Guitar Hero. And Rock Band's price isn't so casual. With the addition of LBP, I doubt there will be too many games they'll want to play. Check if you want to prove me wrong.

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/simpleratings.asp

2) Price does not influence decision greatly enough to motivate people to buy a new console. It has been proven in the history books that even though a console is cheaper it does not mean it will win. Case and point, The Gamecube. The Gamecube was cheaper than the PS2, but did that help it win? No, it didn't? Well all the great games MUST HAVE made it won? No? Do you see parallels between the two generations? Also, the 360 is close to the price of the Wii, and is the lowest selling console. If people don't wat a console, price won't change their mind.

3) If the PS3 did get new buyers, the Wii could steal them back. The PS3 has exhausted many of its trump cards. Price drops, new colors, bundles, "AAA" games, and new controllers. With all of this, it did not manage to pass the Wii. If the PS3 did manage to steal Wii buyers, they could create a "Casual Bundle." WiiSports, WiiPlay, and WiiFit + the Wii for 300$. They could release new colors, red, blue, green, and they could drop the price. A price drop won't affect profits significantly enough to make an impact on their finances, but it will bolster sales.

I want a well-thought out and convincing argument that retracts all of these reasons leo-j. I do not want a fanboy answer like "Wii doesn't have games" or "NO 3RD PARTY!!!". I want reasons and support.