What I mean is that it is the best system to have in place. I do agree that basic health care is a right that everyone should have.

I for one am really pleased that the Republican Party is passing tax cuts and funding options to the rich, while fucking over the poor.

Think about it.

One day when you're rich you could be in that group of people fucking over the poor. Why would you not want that advantage?

You're missing my point though. 'Universal healthcare' is not a system. The Bismark model is a system. The Beveridge model is a system. So on and so forth. "Universal healthcare" is an end, it means >99% of the population has access to healthcare. There are many ways to achieve that end. 

At the end of the day, whenever one argues for legislation they need to argue for something specific, not vague like "universal healthcare." 

The amount of misinformation and lack of understanding posted in comments here is very sad. Sad that 'regular' folks have been duped into believing absolute BS and realities that are spun from a biased news media. And the worst disheartening item to be gotten from reading the comments is the demand from this gamer population that they have a 'right' to have somebody else pay for and take care of them. That is not what America, the constitution or any of our history of being a great place every person wants to move to is supposed to be. You pursue your own happiness, not lay around on the couch and demand others subsidize your pursuit because you are too lazy to make your own way. PS -- Obamacare has done major damage to our healthcare system. It will collapse and sadly we can't go back to the system we had 5 years ago. The reason 'they' can't/are having a hard time replacing or even fixing it is because Ocare was too much of a change to a system that is so necessary to everybody.

You sound like a stuck up person that offers nothing to the conversation.  Please tell me sir how the fuck the republican bill is any better?  You know what happens when you lift the mandate?  A lot of healthy people get off insurance (these are most of the people counted for losing coverage in the CBO estimates).  So what happens next?

You have a bunch of sick people that buy insurance and healthy people aren't there to prop it up so premiums are projected to go up at least 20%.  The Republican plan doesn't fix shit and it only just makes things worse.  So tell me why should I give a fuck what republicans think when all their plans are shit.  Just admit it.  Your party can't come up with shit.  You can't polish a turd and what we have with the USA healthcare system is a giant turd.  Your party plans offer nothing to fix the shit we find ourselves in.

So come here and contribute to the thread instead of some half assed remark about mainstream media and public being misinformed.  You know what?  You didn't inform me of shit.  I could take a dump and it can be more informative than whatever the fuck you just posted.

PS. I hate democrats too but not as much as republicans

what do you expect from a group that largely identifies as conservatives. the actual definition of conservative is somebody who is against change

Tis a shame we can't bring back the progressives from the early 1900s.  Imagine Theodore Roosevelt as President instead of Trump.

This is a symptom. The disease is the electoral system.

The US needs to be democratic, the person with the most votes should win and there should be more parties.

The electoral system worked 200 years ago when information couldn't travel fast. It's no longer the world we live in. It's ridiculous the devotion given to the founding fathers like they could predict what the world would be like 200 years down the line. Of course they didn't. It's time to fix it and get into the modern ages alongside the rest of the modern democracies.

Of course then you have corruption because the established power will resist change.

If the is one thing I'll never understand in the US it's the health care system, the NHS here in the UK isn't perfect but it does a fantastic job at what it achieves and the added security of not worrying about health costs is something that makes leaving the UK difficult.

Majoritarian democracy is not the only form of democracy. Consensus democracy is just as (if not more) democratic. The U.S has a system that is designed for decentralized politics, but currently the major parties are fighting for centralized power. There is pretty much direct democracy at the local level where communities have control over police, education, public goods, etc, representative majoritarian democracy at the state level, and consensus democracy at the central government level. 

If the state switched from a first past the post system for the presidency or we abolished the presidency and switched it with a Swiss-esque directory, American politics would be even more consensus based, and even more palatable. Basically Switzerland is the perfect example of how the American system can work with less focus on the presidency, strong cantonal/state power, direct democracy, and limited central powers all balancing one another. 

I personally would rather if the office of presidency (or a directory of presidents) became less majoritarian. Congress or the state governors could vote for him. Too much focus is put on presidential politics, and not the legislatures.