Yoshi for May 21st!

Edit— And it’s only $60USD!! (I’m assuming MTFever didn’t do too hot...)

HYPE! But also, this is like 3rd Nintendo first-party game to get a release date through social media rather than through a Direct lol. Hoping because Nintendo is cooking something good up for a general Direct.

Yes, whatever is announced will not be released until June or July.

But, there is a big difference between, "something I may or may not want will come out at an indeterminate point in the future" and "something I really want to play is coming out at a specific point of time".

Call it impatient or irrational or whatever, but perception matters. That's why Nintendo has a whole marketing department. And right now, either something is going horribly wrong on the development side, or the marketing team is doing a really bad job. And that's part of why you're seeing negative stories get so much traction. Cause right now there's no hard evidence to point to, just a vague "well they're working on something".

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This is kind of proving his point though the is no way a bad job is being done just because of a select group's impatience, negative stories have always gotten a lot of traction stretching back over 30 years now we can go back to the run up to and the early years of the SNES for reference. No one can look at the past nine months and think a bad job is being done as the line up is one of the strongest for any console in general let alone a platform still in it's first year, the current approach is far more healthy for Nintendo going forward and the long run because the balance gives even spotlight to all types of titles in their pipeline as opposed to relying on E3 style hype generation alone, it's more based on the substance of the titles about to release.

This is better for a consumer rather than waiting for a hyped title for four to five years.

Not really. Those stories always exist, but there is a reason why they are becoming so much more noticeable now. They were significantly less prominent during the Switch's lifespan, because it's hard to argue with success and reality. Some people will always manage to find a negative spin, but they'll be more easily dismissed.

If the narrative is that Nintendo is doing a bad job, then there is one of two possibilities. They are in fact not doing a great job developing games or they are doing a bad job at marketing the great job they're doing developing games. I would argue the truth is somewhere in the middle.

As for consumers waiting for a hyped title four to five years, that is a pure strawman argument. I believe the latest release date we know about is now Yoshi, which is releasing in May. Nobody is asking for them to reveal everything they have coming out for the next five years, but wanting to know what will be released in the next 4-6 months does not seem unreasonable. 

It's noticeable because we have social media and Youtube simple as that and that's on top of an economy of engagement on these platforms so no it's nothing new, were you even paying attention during the Switch 1's run? I can link you a threads of negativity just from this site alone you can also look up Rol's Open Your Eye's thread for further reference.

The narrative of doing a bad job is yours though this hasn't come from anyone else, that part of the argument is your own point that was addressed.

Do you know what a strawman argument is because the context in what you replied to doesn't fit that at all, we know what's coming in the recent months the is a whole thread dedicated to it this week alone has Fatal Frame 2 and Monster Hunter Stories 3 while next month we have Pragmata and Tomodachi and the month following that we have Yoshi and First Light with Rebirth and Adventures of Elliot the month after so we already have an idea of what's coming in the next 4-6 months  unless you only follow and want a certain type of game.

Yes. I know what a strawman argument is. I'm not sure you do.

A strawman argument is when are arguing against a position that nobody has presented. Nobody has suggested that Nintendo needs to announce everything five years in advance. So, when you bring that up, you are arguing against a strawman. It is also a false dichotomy, presenting an extreme option as the only alternative. So I got two logical fallacies for the price of one.

You are also completely changing the scope of the discussion. We were clearly talking about Nintendo's first party output and their announcement cadence. So, bringing up third party games is irrelevant.

What I said was it is reasonable for people to know what Nintendo will be releasing in the next four to six months. We in fact do not know what will be coming out in the next 4 to 6 months. As, correct me if I'm wrong, Yoshi is the latest first party title that has a release date, we know what is coming out in the next one to two months and a half months. That is a much shorter timespan, which is the whole point of this discussion.

And I believe this is creating a negative perception among gamers. Other people seem to have noticed the same. I don't know how to and wouldn't want to do a survey of the entire internet, so that's not something I can really back up with exact evidence. If you disagree, fine. If Nintendo doesn't change course, we'll see how the sales go.

Except the context and point of the argument is people being addicted to hype rather than a lack of games in which the inevitable result of that are games announced well before they're ready for release in order to satisfy such desire for it so no it's very much not a strawman I'm guessing you didn't read every aspect of what's being discussed.

The scope of the argument is even laid out in the screenshotted post which highlights it's not just first party but how goalposts are moved due to an addiction to hype, this wasn't changed by me you just took one particular angle and ironically you just proved the point in the screenshot in particular the part about "Not Nintendo Hype" when trying to say third party don't count. The first party part of the debate in the screened post stems from people wanting hype from a huge first party title to fuel their hype addiction that's the point it was never about only first party counts.

What you're saying is proving his argument, we know about the next two and a half months of releases yet you want to look further while dismissing third party releases which indicates you just want to know for the sake of knowing a sign of the hype addiction being highlighted or your interest is only in a set particular game or type of games at which point no approach will ever suit you only certain calendar years will suit you. Nintendo's current approach in focusing more on the immediate release is better marketing to reach more consumers straight away and Pokopia is proving this hard.