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Mr Puggsly said:

vivster said:

It doesn't matter if CNN is spinning or lying or telling the truth. What matters to them is what Trump says and they will certainly never ever fact check anything he says.

This caught my eye. I think this is why CNN and MSNBC have credibility problems.

They don't do much fact checking while pushing their anti Trump agenda ad nauseam.

Quite frankly, I feel Trump is a guy who says things without doing much fact checking either. But when the media attacking him is also fucking up, that gives him an opportunity to hurt their credibility as well.

You read wrong. The "them" meant his supporters, not the media. The media is fact checking or at least trying to most things. While Trump and his supporters never do.



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ArnoldRimmer said:
vivster said:

Focusing on the mistakes of the media doesn't make the case any less serious. Aside from the media there still are the reports of FBI and CIA. Considering the proven fact that russia intervened in the election on a large scale

Interesting - could you please post links to some sources where I can read about the details of those "proven facts"?

Because over here in Germany, there have been thousands of articles suggesting what you describe, but I still haven't read a single article presenting anything that would even remotely pass as an actual proof. In fact, I still haven't even read a single article describing how exactly that russian intervention should have even happened...

Instead, the articles I've read usually just contain quotes by the usual anonymous "experts", "sources", subjuncive statements etc. - you know, the usual kind of stuff that, when repeated over and over, will make the audience subconsciously assume that there must be some truth to those stories, even though no evidence whatsoever has ever been presented.

We have oficial statements from the FBI and CIA and we have a testimony under oath from an FBI employee. And we have the fact that investigations because of the aftermath of it are happening.

Of course you can call all of those people liars because you will never see internal documents of it but then it becomes a simple math problem.

Do you believe the people who have very high stakes in this who are always lying and deflecting or do you believe 2 impartial government agencies who have no stake in it and are just doing their job.



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Illusion said:

People need to start asking the question: if the mainstream media is willing to tell bold-faced lies on the Russia narrative just to sink Trump, then what else have they been lying to us about?

After this, can we really trust any of the negativity that we have been hearing about Trump from the MSM? Perhaps we should start listening to his speeches ourselves and forming our own original opinions of the man. Maybe Trump isn't a racist or a bigot and is just a guy who wants to put America first. Maybe Trump's America-first agenda is scaring the daylights out of the rich multinational elites own the MSM and who want borderless societies so they can sell you overpriced smartphones made in Chinese sweatshops.

What if the real reason why the MSM hates Trump so much is because their corporate heads hate Trump and you are just being led along like a dog on a leash?

The man continued the Dakota pipeline, gave rich people a $250k tax break, keeps trying to put his immigration ban in place, and has broken his promise on companies not exporting their jobs offshore.

 

I think I'll continue disliking him, but not because of the media's narrative.



Sharu said:
Any sane man would knew it. I amazed Americans bought this bullshit from there media...

Eeeyyy. Our resident Russian.



monocle_layton said:
Illusion said:

People need to start asking the question: if the mainstream media is willing to tell bold-faced lies on the Russia narrative just to sink Trump, then what else have they been lying to us about?

After this, can we really trust any of the negativity that we have been hearing about Trump from the MSM? Perhaps we should start listening to his speeches ourselves and forming our own original opinions of the man. Maybe Trump isn't a racist or a bigot and is just a guy who wants to put America first. Maybe Trump's America-first agenda is scaring the daylights out of the rich multinational elites own the MSM and who want borderless societies so they can sell you overpriced smartphones made in Chinese sweatshops.

What if the real reason why the MSM hates Trump so much is because their corporate heads hate Trump and you are just being led along like a dog on a leash?

The man continued the Dakota pipeline, gave rich people a $250k tax break, keeps trying to put his immigration ban in place, and has broken his promise on companies not exporting their jobs offshore.

 

I think I'll continue disliking him, but not because of the media's narrative.

Remember it's only "fake news" if it's negative towards Emperor King Trump. When it's positive news, then it's all real news for Trump. 

The presidency has become a big joke, something right out of a movie, a reality TV con artist has forever soiled any dignity the position had. 



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Aeolus451 said:
StarOcean said:
I don't care if its real or not. I want the hate to continue. I want it to be full on rage. Because Trump is obsessed with it, and that's horrible for anyones mental health. Especially with a position as the President and at his age. If this continues the fat whale will have a heart attack. That or maybe the hate will inspire someone to kill him. How factual it is isn't the point. Trump's loyal cocksuckers wouldn't believe the truth if it bitch-slapped them anyway, nor would he. So him dying is really the only thing that matters. However, the longer it makes him suffer, the better. So if the hate the news is spewing is what it takes to make that come true, then by all means, let the hate flood more than it has

If you and others of the left keep thinking/acting in this manner, you'll see a second term of trump again. Keep pushing the bullshit narractive of russia and hate trump at all costs. 

America boots out a president after a first term so rarely that I already think his second term is a given. That and to beat a guy like Trump the Democrats would need to select a candidate with the same core grassroots foundation but they'd more likely pick a Hilary-esque candidate.



Illusion said:

People need to start asking the question: if the mainstream media is willing to tell bold-faced lies on the Russia narrative just to sink Trump, then what else have they been lying to us about?

After this, can we really trust any of the negativity that we have been hearing about Trump from the MSM? Perhaps we should start listening to his speeches ourselves and forming our own original opinions of the man. Maybe Trump isn't a racist or a bigot and is just a guy who wants to put America first. Maybe Trump's America-first agenda is scaring the daylights out of the rich multinational elites own the MSM and who want borderless societies so they can sell you overpriced smartphones made in Chinese sweatshops.

What if the real reason why the MSM hates Trump so much is because their corporate heads hate Trump and you are just being led along like a dog on a leash?

I can't see why they would hate him, most of his policies seem to be geared to their benefit. All new outlets have a market they carter for, change that and they lose viewers. Infowars broadcasts weird conspiracy theories, if they started airing somethin else they'd lose their audience.

Or maybe I'm just biased as I'm not American so "America-first" isn't going to win me over.



Mystro-Sama said:
Sharu said:
Any sane man would knew it. I amazed Americans bought this bullshit from there media...

Eeeyyy. Our resident Russian.

Yep. )

For a year I'm reading NYT, CNN, BBC and FOX on twitter. And I must say the news quality is fallen down terribly, it really looks like anti-russian hysteria lately. Every single day it should be some article showing Russia in bad light. I have a feeling that its not connected to anti-trump agenda much, just the general direction of your media. Its sad, honestly.



Mandalore76 said:

People who talk, think, and act in this manner are more scary/threat to society.

Agreed, it's as insensitive as you can get for human life especially a one that didn't EVER commit a crime ... (Serial killers are an actual menace to society but Trump ? LOL) 

There's a reason why the founding fathers went with 'compromise' instead of 'revolution' when it's to keep radical guys like that out of the office ... 

What's more is that he insinuates that Trump is anti-science when he's as pro-industrialization as anyone could get. There's more to science than just climate change LOL. Did it not occur to the environmentalists that 'industrial science' existed ? There's a reason why oil has a monopoly on life itself when billions depend on it for their survival and quality of life ...

If we couldn't use traditional energy and had to settle for the renewable garbage I'd rather all of humanity just die since they took a big step backwards by deindustrializing the whole world spelling the end of modern cilization ... 

The anti-fossil fuels and anti-GMO people need to shut up and take a look at reality instead fantasizing. I'd rather us use oil if it meant nicer people than not if it meant killing each other ... 



vivster said:
Mr Puggsly said:

This caught my eye. I think this is why CNN and MSNBC have credibility problems.

They don't do much fact checking while pushing their anti Trump agenda ad nauseam.

Quite frankly, I feel Trump is a guy who says things without doing much fact checking either. But when the media attacking him is also fucking up, that gives him an opportunity to hurt their credibility as well.

You read wrong. The "them" meant his supporters, not the media. The media is fact checking or at least trying to most things. While Trump and his supporters never do.

I think in the end people care more about what a president attempts to do or accomplishes versus what they say. Quite frankly, Trump like many presidents has flip flopped when actually getting in office. What Obama ran as was very different than the man we got in office, its partially why Hillary lost.

Essentially, people support Trump in hope of healthcare becoming more affordable, better immigration security, be more aggressive on terrorism, and jobs. If he does well on those things, the bullshit that comes out of his mouth is not very important. Lies alone can't improve those things.



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