My god ... and you call others an idiot . Clearly you have no idea of how deep an ancient reliogion can be , and all you know is that religious people tend to think that homosexuality is bad , just because a pope or God told them ... thats just so wrong . I had the chance to learn dogmathics for 2 years , and actually , afther those 300+ classes that Ive had attended their explanation of why homosexuality is bad is much better than waht you have copy/pasted here from wikipedia or who knows what site and actually realies entirely on scientific studies . If you have no clue what religion is , than dont mock others just because they bealive in something , even if your parents where irresponsible enough to try and give you at least some religious education .

Could I write it down to you , the answer , why religious people think that homosexuality is bad  ? No , not even If I would continue my studies for 5 more years . But in the same time Im not the best example for a religious person .... Still I used to laugh at their arguments back then , but yours seems so childish compared to those ...

I don't know what you're missing but it makes all the difference in the world. If they in fact have a mental condition then their perceived gender identity is no more valid a perception than someone who sees things that aren't there. If someone who is Bipolar has a manic episode nobody thinks its ok to let them do what they think/feel is right because they are not capable of making those decisions rationally. So why would it be any less morally objectionable to allow someone who has another mental condition to act on their delusions simply because they don't seem as strange?

From what I read on wikipedia it is pretty well established as a psychiatric issue and is dealt with on the mental side of medicine not the physical. But aside from that I have a very hard time believing that somebody of sound mind would fully believe that they were a man trapped in a woman's body or vice versa. Granted everyone has issues, but that just strikes me as a textbook delusion. There are 3 criteria to meet the modern psychatric standard for a diagnosis of delusional (quoting from wikipedia):

• certainty (held with absolute conviction)
• incorrigibility (not changeable by compelling counterargument or proof to the contrary)
• impossibility or falsity of content (implausible, bizarre or patently untrue)

They definitely hold the view with conviction, thier own body and DNA is proof to the contrary, and its fairly implausible and definitely bizarre. So yeah, delusional seems to be a factually correct term to use for this.

Okay, if I believed I was a monkey, i would not be able to get surgery to provide me a tail and alter the shape of my hands and help grow body hair. If I believed I was Napolean, i would not be able to get surgery to reduce my height, nor funding to re-establish the french as a world recognized military force.

Yet if I believe I'm not a man, but am instead a woman, I'm not crazy, but have a medical condition of which the treatment is to alter my body...

I'm sorry, I just don't understand why someone feels the need to change their body, especially in today's society which is constantly pushing that men and women are no different. Obviously there are physical differences, but we have long since smashed the idea that there is some sort of emotional and mental standard that men and women are restricted to.

This feels more to me like a "grass is greener on teh other side" issue. Women think Men get all the breaks and stuff, Men think Women get all the breaks, etc. Rather than deal with their own issues, they want to change their gender. That might not be the conscious decision on their part, but personally, instead of saying they should alter their body, they should get some therapy to say "Hey, you can BE a man/woman and still be femenine/masculine. So society is going to perceive you a little different, BIG DEAL. OVERCOME that perception."

Meh, whatever, but in general, yeah, if you've got ovaries and can get pregnant, you're not a man. I don't care if you have a penis, or how much testosterone you have. It's been pretty well established that being male is established based on the presence of a Y chromosome, and being a man is based solely on that. I don't care if there are people that say "You're not a man/woman if you don't 'xyz'" they're full of shit.

That's pretty F'd up, right there.

Gives meaning to the song "I'm my own grandpa".... /shudders

Why has no one posted this yet.

"Yeah, this is the bit that confuses me as well. The desire to reproduce is over both genders but surely the desire to become pregnant is purely a female one?



@Sqrl. Psychiatry is a medical field. Also transgender disorders are far more common than people thinking they are animals. Also people who think they are not human, I think, generally have mental illnesses which their beliefs are symptoms of rather than a direct disorder.

Also the best way for transgender people to restore their mental health is to actually give them the body to match their mind.

To your second post, that was directed at people who find it wrong. I put 'abnormal' down with the quotation marks to show that. Suppose I should have made it more obvious, it was very ambiguous."


You post garbage like this and have the nerve to call me an idiot??? You are the biggest fool I've ever known for believing this putrid diaherra that spews from you mouth.

In essence you are saying that there is no morallity. If a person thinks this is right for him, then in spite of any moral sense, it must be right. By this same logic I could in theory rape your mother, and then murder your father, and that would all be o.k. because I was born with these desires and they have been with me since I was like say 4. So it is only fair for me to be able to excercise who I am. Sorry about your mom and dad BTW. Oh, and I don't think I should have to go to jail or even a psych ward. Afterall, I'm just being me and that is my business.

The fact of the matter is homosexuallity and other sexual perversions are not normal. Get over it Rath.

They are not normal on a Christian level; they are sin.

They are not even normal on an evolutionary basis; as survival of the fittest certainly can't survive if the guys can't figure out what to do with their equipment.

...............................wow.

The American Psychological Association tried to "cure" homosexuals, but all it did was cause depression in those patients, with a great many of them committing suicide.

Also, are you aware that people who want to become transgendered get that urge when they are young or they are in their adolescents? Like in many cases before someone gets a sex change, they need to go through heavy psychiatric evaluation to see if a sex change is properly suited for a person.

What about hermaphrodites? It isn't out of the blue for a kid to be born with both sex organs, and then to have the doctor ask the parents "Which sex for the child would you prefer?" Usually, they pick the wrong sex.

Even something like micropenis can make parents want to have their child to be female.

And your association of homosexuality with rape is comical. How does homosexuality hurt a person like rape does? Hey, why not include S&M? Fetishes that range from foot to bodily waste? Anal sex? Most psychologists will agree that it isn't "pure" or "normal," but if it's done consensually, and both partners agree to it, as well as them liking it, they can't do nothing about it.

Rape on the other hand, I doubt the other person is consenting nor is she agreeing to it.

Wow, Christianity mixed with "survival of the fittest," when people actually used the latter to combat the first. Right now, that person is more fit than a few Christians that are impotent, wouldn't you say?

Hrmm... Just a thought but I heard recently that Christians are more sexually active than their non-believing counterparts. Or was that Republicans more times a week than Independents and Democrats...?