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Mr Puggsly on 19 June 2017
Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Anywho, not all PCs are NOT designed for upgrades these days. They make compact PCs about the size of X1 or much smaller. Yet none of them have decent APU like a modern console.

You can take such PC's out of their case and transplant it into a new one.

Mr Puggsly said:

Its not a silly argument, some of these Steam machines were designed without the ability to upgrade much. But they suck and are expensive because there isnt a good/cheap gaming APU in that market. I find it odd thats the case consideribg modern consoles are basically a x86 PC.

There isn't a good APU on the market because APU's tend to be large chips, they are expensive to manufacture and people expect APU's to be cheap.
You are better off spending those transistors on CPU performance and get a seperate GPU.

Jaguar-levels of CPU performance for instance is unacceptable on PC.

Captain_Yuri said:

I again, agree that if you compare the xbox one x to the pc apus like the AMD A10 series, the xbox one "crushes" those and it's impressive. But comparing it to an i7 is just silly because the AMD A10 apus are the ones that are trying to be purposed as "budget gaming" APUs while the i7s are not...

The i7's aren't needed to crush the Xbox One, the console APU's don't have CPU's anywhere near that level. An dual-core, core i3 perhaps.

Captain_Yuri said:

If an APU like the one on the Scorpio existed on PC, it would be kinda bad cause of how important CPU performance is to PC so having such a jaguar CPU + a strong GPU setup wouldn't work very well. However, it might be finally happen with Ryzen APUs but we will see.

It won't happen, because bandwidth. Unless AMD's upcoming HEDT platform supports integrated graphics, which I I doubt. Then Quad-Channel DDR4 memory opens up a ton of possibilities.

Captain_Yuri said:

What I am trying to get at is... Comparing xbox one x to Amd A10 APUs on PC makes sense because those two are built to have a similar purpose.

They really aren't though.
One was built for gaming performance and leverages graphics performance over all else.

An AMD APU on PC however is meant as a balanced chip good at everything, master of none.
And that is reflected in their hardware capabilities.

Mr Puggsly said:

The PC market has many options but no cheap APUs for modern gaming. Thats part of the reason Steam machines failed.


I think the main reason why it failed is because... PC gamers just don't care. A OEM box that is to leverage a PC's software library was never going to be a runaway success. PC Gamers enjoy upgrading, enjoy building PC's. It's why companies like Corsair have such notoriety.
                               

I did a little research, there are PC Jaguar CPUs running similar GHz as consoles. So they're fine for PCs as well. Eitherway, if you bought a device with a gaming focused APU, than GPU power is more important than CPU power.

I think there is an audience looking for a simple box that's reasonably priced and essentially runs current PC games at decent settings, like at par with modern consoles. I mean look at all the options for pre built gaming PCs, there is a market. I thought Steam machines was gonna be the answer for that but it wasn't, still expensive.



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TGz-Pekasus on 19 June 2017

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vivster on 19 June 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

You can take such PC's out of their case and transplant it into a new one.

There isn't a good APU on the market because APU's tend to be large chips, they are expensive to manufacture and people expect APU's to be cheap.
You are better off spending those transistors on CPU performance and get a seperate GPU.

Jaguar-levels of CPU performance for instance is unacceptable on PC.

The i7's aren't needed to crush the Xbox One, the console APU's don't have CPU's anywhere near that level. An dual-core, core i3 perhaps.

It won't happen, because bandwidth. Unless AMD's upcoming HEDT platform supports integrated graphics, which I I doubt. Then Quad-Channel DDR4 memory opens up a ton of possibilities.

They really aren't though.
One was built for gaming performance and leverages graphics performance over all else.

An AMD APU on PC however is meant as a balanced chip good at everything, master of none.
And that is reflected in their hardware capabilities.


I think the main reason why it failed is because... PC gamers just don't care. A OEM box that is to leverage a PC's software library was never going to be a runaway success. PC Gamers enjoy upgrading, enjoy building PC's. It's why companies like Corsair have such notoriety.
                               

I did a little research, there are PC Jaguar CPUs running similar GHz as consoles. So they're fine for PCs as well. Eitherway, if you bought a device with a gaming focused APU, than GPU power is more important than CPU power.

I think there is an audience looking for a simple box that's reasonably priced and essentially runs current PC games at decent settings, like at par with modern consoles. I mean look at all the options for pre built gaming PCs, there is a market. I thought Steam machines was gonna be the answer for that but it wasn't, still expensive.

The answer is not buying a completely new PC every time you upgrade. If you just take a 4 year old PC and switch out the GPU with a $400 one you already have a better PC for a cheaper price.

Just because consoles force you to replace all of your hard and software with an upgrade doesn't mean PCs have to. There are plenty of components that last multiple console generations.



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Pemalite on 19 June 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
                               

I did a little research, there are PC Jaguar CPUs running similar GHz as consoles. So they're fine for PCs as well. Eitherway, if you bought a device with a gaming focused APU, than GPU power is more important than CPU power.

Jaguar CPU's aren't "fine". They are terrible inadequate for allot of even basic tasks.

You would be better off picking up a Core 2 Quad Q9650, Phenom 2 X4, Core i7 920 second hand.




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Mr Puggsly on 20 June 2017
Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:
                               

I did a little research, there are PC Jaguar CPUs running similar GHz as consoles. So they're fine for PCs as well. Eitherway, if you bought a device with a gaming focused APU, than GPU power is more important than CPU power.

Jaguar CPU's aren't "fine". They are terrible inadequate for allot of even basic tasks.

You would be better off picking up a Core 2 Quad Q9650, Phenom 2 X4, Core i7 920 second hand.

If thats the case kinda odd there are PC devices using Jaguar CPUs. Even processors older than Jaguar can run basic tasks.



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Pemalite on 20 June 2017
Mr Puggsly said:
Pemalite said:

Jaguar CPU's aren't "fine". They are terrible inadequate for allot of even basic tasks.

You would be better off picking up a Core 2 Quad Q9650, Phenom 2 X4, Core i7 920 second hand.

If thats the case kinda odd there are PC devices using Jaguar CPUs. Even processors older than Jaguar can run basic tasks.

There are PC's that use Jaguar. But those PC's aren't 'fast'. They are meant for just light web browsing, email and facebook, not gaming.




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Mr Puggsly on 20 June 2017
Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

If thats the case kinda odd there are PC devices using Jaguar CPUs. Even processors older than Jaguar can run basic tasks.

There are PC's that use Jaguar. But those PC's aren't 'fast'. They are meant for just light web browsing, email and facebook, not gaming.

My NuVision $80 Windows 10 tablet is using an Intel Atom and that things runs all the basic stuff, HD video, streams YouTube above 1080p, etc.

I have a really old PC running an Athlon X2, it can do the same stuff and run basically any 7th gen era game and some modern stuff thanks to an RX460.

The more modern Jaguar processors can do plenty on a PC. Just give it a rest, your assumptions are wrong.



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binary solo on 21 June 2017

What happens when you throw in the price of a 4K monitor vs a 4K TV?

Not much point in having a 4K beast for either a console or TV without the display being capable of showing a 4K image.



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Pemalite on 21 June 2017
Mr Puggsly said:

My NuVision $80 Windows 10 tablet is using an Intel Atom and that things runs all the basic stuff, HD video, streams YouTube above 1080p, etc.

I have a really old PC running an Athlon X2, it can do the same stuff and run basically any 7th gen era game and some modern stuff thanks to an RX460.

The more modern Jaguar processors can do plenty on a PC. Just give it a rest, your assumptions are wrong.

That Atom is using secondary processors (Namely the video block on the integrated GPU) to offload HD video, Youtube, Flash video etc'.
Or if you were like me with an older Atom (Think: GMA 950/3150 era atoms) you chucked a Broadcom Crystal HD into the mini PCI-E slot of the Atom tablet to do that task instead. Otherwise watching HD video was impossible.

An Athlon X2, if it's the first generation Athlon X2 is actually a bit faster than Atom... And unlike Atom and Jaguar was a high-end CPU once upon a time. Albeit, it's extremely dated now.
Running 7th gen games isn't entirely impossible on that chip. But more modern games would fall flat.

Jaguar is the successor to Brazos an Intel Atom competitor. You aren't running high-end games on it. It's low-end, slow and old.
And no, I won't "give it a rest" because I don't believe I am wrong.

****

Fact is. Running any flash/HTML 5/Element heavy website on Jaguar is a freaking chore. Especially on the consoles where rendering time is long.

It's a terrible and low-end CPU. Don't agree with that? Then sorry to say, but... Stiff.




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Mr Puggsly on 21 June 2017
Pemalite said:
Mr Puggsly said:

My NuVision $80 Windows 10 tablet is using an Intel Atom and that things runs all the basic stuff, HD video, streams YouTube above 1080p, etc.

I have a really old PC running an Athlon X2, it can do the same stuff and run basically any 7th gen era game and some modern stuff thanks to an RX460.

The more modern Jaguar processors can do plenty on a PC. Just give it a rest, your assumptions are wrong.

That Atom is using secondary processors (Namely the video block on the integrated GPU) to offload HD video, Youtube, Flash video etc'.
Or if you were like me with an older Atom (Think: GMA 950/3150 era atoms) you chucked a Broadcom Crystal HD into the mini PCI-E slot of the Atom tablet to do that task instead. Otherwise watching HD video was impossible.

An Athlon X2, if it's the first generation Athlon X2 is actually a bit faster than Atom... And unlike Atom and Jaguar was a high-end CPU once upon a time. Albeit, it's extremely dated now.
Running 7th gen games isn't entirely impossible on that chip. But more modern games would fall flat.

Jaguar is the successor to Brazos an Intel Atom competitor. You aren't running high-end games on it. It's low-end, slow and old.
And no, I won't "give it a rest" because I don't believe I am wrong.

****

Fact is. Running any flash/HTML 5/Element heavy website on Jaguar is a freaking chore. Especially on the consoles where rendering time is long.

It's a terrible and low-end CPU. Don't agree with that? Then sorry to say, but... Stiff.

Mmmhmmm... looking at benchmarks the Jaguar processors seem fairly capable.

You're arguing they're useless junk. I'm aruging, they're fine for budget processors with GPU focus. The APUs in consoles just happen to be superior than the PC market gets.



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